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A valid kim-1 serial option?

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 8:59 pm
by RonH
Hi All,
I have been looking various ways to connect my KIM-1 to my laptop.
I see various ways to do this and I think I get the idea. I could start ordering stuff.

But I happen to actually have these TTL/RS232 converters...

https://us.amazon.com/Female-Male-C...o ... 4304466358

... (one of each gender) AND I have this RS232/USB converter...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007T27H8?re ... tle_1&th=1

Will it be safe and effective to use these (with no other parts) to connect my laptop to the KIM-1?
Specifically, can I connect the KIM-1 (on the left) to the TTL/RS232 adapter (on the right) like this....

A-R-|---+---(Vcc)
. . . . . . . .|
. . . . . . . .|
A-S-|---+

A-U-|-------(>)

A-T-|-------(<)

A-21|-----+
. . . . . . . . . .|
. . . . . .. . . . \ switch (closed enables TTY)
. . . . . . . . . .|
A-V |-----+

And then of course...

Connect TTL/RS-232 adapter to RS232/USB adapter.
Connect RS232/USB adapter to the laptop.
What do you think?
Is it safe? Will it work?
I'm holding back because I sure don't want to hurt the KIM-1.
Any advice appreciated!
Ron

Re: A valid kim-1 serial option?

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:16 pm
by barrym95838
Hi, RonH.

I'm not adequately qualified to answer your hardware question, but you can make your text diagram easier for us to read by editing your post and surrounding it with

Code: Select all

 and 
respectively.

Re: A valid kim-1 serial option?

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:34 pm
by RonH
Oh, that's what you do!
OK, I will.

Re: A valid kim-1 serial option?

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:42 pm
by BigDumbDinosaur

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A-R-|---+---(Vcc)
. . . . . . . .|
. . . . . . . .|
A-S-|---+

A-U-|-------(>)

A-T-|-------(<)

A-21|-----+
. . . . . . . . . .|
. . . . . .. . . . \ switch (closed enables TTY)
. . . . . . . . . .|
A-V |-----+

Not making much sense to me.

Re: A valid kim-1 serial option?

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2025 1:16 am
by 6502inside
You can't connect +5V TTL directly to the KIM, it's expecting 20mA current loop. There are KIM-1 serial boards which will do this conversion for you, or you can wire up one of the off-the-shelf current loop to RS-232 converters. Also run it at 300bps, it tends to drop characters in spurts at higher speeds (the ROM routines were really meant for teletypes).

Re: A valid kim-1 serial option?

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:57 am
by BillO
6502inside is correct, however you could use a couple of opto couplers and possibly a transistor or two to convert between current loop and TTL.

Re: A valid kim-1 serial option?

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:00 am
by BillO
BigDumbDinosaur wrote:

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A-R-|---+---(Vcc)
. . . . . . . .|
. . . . . . . .|
A-S-|---+

A-U-|-------(>)

A-T-|-------(<)

A-21|-----+
. . . . . . . . . .|
. . . . . .. . . . \ switch (closed enables TTY)
. . . . . . . . . .|
A-V |-----+

Not making much sense to me.
The "diagram" refers to the "A" edge connector on the KIM-1.

Re: A valid kim-1 serial option?

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2025 6:29 am
by BigEd
Thanks for the diagram Ron. Let me try the formatting:
RonH wrote:

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A-R-|---+---(Vcc)
        |
        |
A-S-|---+

A-U-|-------(>)

A-T-|-------(<)

A-21|-----+
          |
           \ switch (closed enables TTY)
          |
A-V |-----+
Ron
As noted, the | characters are the edge of the KIM-1, function labels to the left, connections and purposes to the right.