This thread is gold.

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Well, I must have breathed in quite a lot of lead from leaded petrol in my first 30 years. Of course you can never prove a counterfactual but it doesn't seem to have had any obvious bad effects.
I think there's a missing sense of proportion in a lot of this stuff these days - like people trying to ban tobacco smoke outside. By the time it's been diluted in outside air the amount of smoke inhaled by third parties must be absolutely miniscule and incapable of any measurable harm, but that doesn't register with the zealots. I don't smoke myself, but I get annoyed by the knee-jerk reflex of just wanting to ban things for spurious reasons.

I think the point the "zealots" may be trying to make is that smoking bans and other things like motorcycle helmet laws are designed to reduce the burden on the health care and insurance systems, to the benefit of all. I don't have the statistics to validate the significance of those measures, but it should be obvious that the burdens they attempt to address are not exactly zero. Cigarettes are a diabolical addiction ... believe me, I know. I started at age 19, quit at 32, started again at 45, and am struggling to quit by 58, to complete the second 26 year cycle. By the time I reach 71, maybe California will have done me the favor of placing them beyond my undisciplined reach.

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Got a kilobyte lying fallow in your 65xx's memory map? Sprinkle some VTL02C on it and see how it grows on you!

Mike B. (about me) (learning how to github)

I also grew up working with gasoline, engine oils, other fluids, lead-based anything and everything and IBM gold-can cleaning fluid (trichloroethane, 1,1,1), not to mention their purple cleaner (similar to Formula 409) that was an extreme alkaline based concentrate (would dissolve your skin).

Ensuring that the appropriate warnings are included with any hazardous substance/material is always a good idea. Common sense should always be exercised when using any such products. Sadly, common-sense has become anything but common these days. People do stupid things, then expect others to compensate for their lack of discipline and self-control... who knew.

As for soldering... just take basic precautions and you'll likely die from something other than lead poisoning... preferably old age, but the powers that be will ensure your death certificate shows it was something else

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Have you ever considered vaping instead?

Still a habit, but one that many consider less objectionable. Probably not as bad for you healthwise.

I say probably. Anyone remember two and a half years ago when people appear to be dying left and right from e-cigarettes if you watch media reports. It was a public health menace second only to fentanyl! Then came a suspected virus outbreak in Wuhan and the world turned upside down. I cannot recall any news about vaping since except for the government going after Juul.

The news was zeroing on the problem possibly being people buying cartridges "on the street;" no telling what they may contain.

Weeeeell, those people ingesting lead for millennia also used to die at half your age so I'm not sure that argument ages well I'm not saying lead vs health is completely linear but the amount to statistically steal IQ points will probably surprise most people.

"Veritasium" made a rather good video on the subject, with very very thorough source material.
https://youtu.be/IV3dnLzthDA - "The Man Who Accidentally Killed The Most People In History"

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http://WilsonMinesCo.com/ lots of 6502 resources
The "second front page" is http://wilsonminesco.com/links.html .
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I don't want to be antagonistic, but I want to state a point or two:

1) Folks back in the day lived quite longer than a lot of folks do today, but we are *told* that most people died early by "the experts". We do have antibiotics and other things keeping us alive longer than expected, and honestly just better hygiene in general (i.e. we use soap/disinfectants before surgery). But people back in the day were eating real foods and herbs, and didn't have pharma drugs. The human body is amazingly adaptive to the surrounding environment.

2) IQ is so relative and subjective it's not even funny. I have no clue where I would place (I don't care though), but anyone who totes themselves as some 'smart guy' with a high IQ completely misses the point. We all have talents and build up skills, and if they are not used, they become wasted, degenerate, and forgotten. If you were implying "IQ points" as a pop culture version of saying "brain cells" then sorry for my misunderstanding.



Well, I don't keep it out of my face, and my windows are not cracked much. I know that if I am soldering for about 2 or 3 hours straight I start getting dizzy, my eyes and head hurt a lot, etc. But that's not from lead, that's from flux fumes. WHICH would be present in both leaded or lead-free solders!



Haha! Yes.

Thank you.

Chad

"Folks" most certainly did not "live quite longer than they do today". Malnutrition was one of the biggest parts of that statistic.
https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy-globally

Edit: Of course I don't mean this in a confrontational or aggressively argumentative way, in case it unintentionally came off that way

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The lead gets into the bloodstream from breathing in aerosols from the exhaust that contain lead. It was shown quite clearly to result in higher lead blood levels and neurological damage in areas with higher than average levels of car exhaust, such as near busy urban intersections where traffic was idling waiting for a stop light.

when I was about 10 years old or so, my dad worked for a plumbing place, Shepherd and Cushman, and as I was very small I would get sent under a house to inspect or make repairs.

All copper plumbing I have ever done in my life, was with lead free solder.
When you solder pipe, you turn the water off, make the 'weld' and turn it back on.
That water is under 50 lbs of pressure and will shake those pipes like a storm when it refloods the system.
If the lead free solder was weak, it wouldn't hold to those kinds of forces.


I remember the first time they sent under a crawlspace. They gave me a flashlight and a blowtorch.
I was 10 and was "there are spiders down here the size of my faaaace!"
and they were like, "we gave you a blowtorch..."

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http://WilsonMinesCo.com/ lots of 6502 resources
The "second front page" is http://wilsonminesco.com/links.html .
What's an additional VIA among friends, anyhow?

Im trying to tool up here, if there is something Wayfarer Technologies can do for you, let us know and Ill add it to the list and the business plan. All my people including you all here say 'build an mvp, find a customer'.