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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 9:57 am 
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Some time ago someone pointed out that (contrary to my belief that there's only one revision of the VIA / 6522 (i.e. Rev. 0))
MOS also produced a 2nd version "R1" for a short period of time (around 1988) but resumed using the Rev. 0 layout:

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One can distinguish the revision by looking at the second number (if present) on the MOS/CSG chips. For the 6522
it's either "10" (== Rev.0) or "11" (== Rev.1). This version can be found in 1541-II drives by example.

As the 6522 is plagued by the infamous shift-register bug we speculated if MOS/CSG fixed the bug but
withdrew that revision because of other incompatibilities or if it's even just a misprint!?
In order to find out finally I had to take a look at the silicon:

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The result is that CSG just added a "(M) 1986 CBM" marker in the top left corner of the die AND
added a different (better?) ESD protection to the pins. The shift register control etc. doesn't seem to be different
at all (at least on the metal layer which I compared).

One can take a look at the bonding pad for the RESET# pin to get an idea of the change:

R0 v. R1:

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 5:29 pm 
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fhw72 wrote:
As the 6522 is plagued by the infamous shift-register bug we speculated if MOS/CSG fixed the bug but
withdrew that revision because of other incompatibilities or if it's even just a misprint!?

You know, usually on the Internet we end it right there, in order to have wide open space for argument from ignorance.

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In order to find out finally I had to take a look at the silicon....

Nice work!

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 8:16 pm 
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Another MOS/CSG "special" :-)

"Improve" something, do not fix the obvious, run the batch, trash it and continue using the buggy one. :-D

Or the chip guys simply were feeling bored and possibly thought: "Hey, what do we want to improve today?"

@fhw72 Thanks for your efforts!


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