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6502 oddities from the past..

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 3:07 pm
by BillO
Found this in the January 1980 Byte magazine:
Minimax.jpg
That MINIMAX II would be about $23K today!!!

Didi you ever use one of these?

Bring out your 6502 oddities and curiosities..

Re: 6502 oddities from the past..

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:58 am
by 6502inside
This might have been its disk drive. "The Minimax II is also known as the ACT Series 800."

https://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det ... k%20Drive/

And here's the ACT Series 800. Looks very similar.

https://nosher.net/archives/computers/p ... uthink_act

Re: 6502 oddities from the past..

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:30 am
by jds
I recently found out that the Panasonic HHC is 6502 based. Maybe not an oddity, but quite interesting.
Hhc.jpg

Re: 6502 oddities from the past..

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:28 am
by BigEd
(Panasonic HHC featured 10 years ago in our weekly posts!)

Re: 6502 oddities from the past..

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:37 am
by barnacle
I do like a nice tidy DIP board :)

Neil

Re: 6502 oddities from the past..

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:19 pm
by Erstwhile
jds wrote:
I recently found out that the Panasonic HHC is 6502 based. Maybe not an oddity, but quite interesting.
Hhc.jpg
We got one of those with printer and some expansion (ROM) modules for Life Insurance calculations.
It was given to us 20 some years ago as a joke wedding gift!

Re: 6502 oddities from the past..

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:47 pm
by josgrp
In the description for the Computhink Minimax I found this text.

If the full set of 6502 opcodes is insufficient, it is possible to microprogram a further 64 instructions using the opcodes whose two low order bits are turned on, ie those whose LSBs are 3,7,B or F. The advance publicity literature suggests that a good use for this facility would be to perform Pascal. In case that is not enough, a wealth of ROM based routines are available for use by the assembler programmer.

Does anyone know how you can microprogram a 6502?

Re: 6502 oddities from the past..

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:08 pm
by GARTHWILSON
Welcome, josgrp.
josgrp wrote:
In the description for the Computhink Minimax I found this text.

If the full set of 6502 opcodes is insufficient, it is possible to microprogram a further 64 instructions using the opcodes whose two low order bits are turned on, ie those whose LSBs are 3,7,B or F. The advance publicity literature suggests that a good use for this facility would be to perform Pascal. In case that is not enough, a wealth of ROM based routines are available for use by the assembler programmer.

Does anyone know how you can microprogram a 6502?
The 6502 does not use microcode.  However, see our own Jeff Laughton's KimKlone 65c02 with pointer-arithmetic-friendly extended address space and 9-cycle ITC Forth NEXT.  It gives 6 new registers and 44 new instructions.  Note that this is not just a proposal, but actual working hardware.  See pictures in this forum post and on the next page of the forum topic.  He's kind of a genius at this kind of thing, and also has ways to form I/O instructions that do a lot in each instruction.

Also, the CMOS version (ie, 65c02) adds new instructions and addressing modes, and many other improvements.  See my article on it at http://wilsonminesco.com/NMOS-CMOSdif/ .

The 65816 takes it further, and its op code table is full.  The '816 is not just a 6502 with potentially wider registers.  It has lots of improvements that make it able to do things the '02 simply cannot.  See my article about common misunderstandings about the '816, at http://wilsonminesco.com/816myths/ .

Re: 6502 oddities from the past..

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:32 pm
by BigEd
While the 6502 is indeed not microprogrammed, I can imagine some opcode extension scheme which is. But I've not seen any implementation detail as to what the Minimax did (or was intended to do, in the case that this opcode extension business didn't ship.)