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Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:04 pm
by barnacle
We've got the odd bit of 8080, though (holds hands up!)

Neil

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:09 pm
by Rich
BigDumbDinosaur wrote:

Welcome to 6502-land, where the air is fresh and clean...none of that nasty Z-80 pollution to be found anywhere.  :D  Hope Helene didn’t beat up you guys too badly.
Thanks for asking! Most of Helene's damage took place to the west of Winston-Salem. My sister in W-S got lots of rain and wind, we got heavy rain and some wind, and Raleigh got breezes and sprinkles.
Thanks again for the welcome!

--Rich

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:38 pm
by Rich
barnacle wrote:
We've got the odd bit of 8080, though (holds hands up!)

Neil

Good ol' 8080! (Or in my case, 8085!) Learned about undocumented opcodes there, programming a token vending machine for the NYC MTA. Intel ISIS-II! AEDIT! Debugging by studying the code! (Not to mention Steve's labels like "WIMPY:" and "OLIVE:")

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:09 am
by Erstwhile
Hello!
I'm tired and retired.
I have been a phased array radar tech, TV repairman, stereo repairman, Unix Sysop, car washer, trail guide, soldier, system builder,
worked on a Proton Beam project, tested new and used IBM mainframes, cabinet maker, oil changer, seismographer, truck stop dishwasher and cashier, ranch and dairy farm hand, network installer, hard drive tester/analyzer, and a general PITA for my managers most of my working life. I'm currently living in southeast Minnesota, USA with my wife and my dog. I collect HP calculators, old wood saws and braces. and have a small woodshop, like to do DIY repairs around the house.

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:40 am
by BigDumbDinosaur
Erstwhile wrote:
I'm tired and retired.

Welcome!  What kind of plans do you have for the 6502?

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I'm currently living in southeast Minnesota, USA with my wife and my dog.

I could make an unfounded wisecrack about whom else you are living with in Minnesota, but I’ll be nice.  :D :P

In any case, you should find lots of interesting stuff here.

⚡ In(tro)ductivity ⚡

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:37 pm
by L0uis.m
(I think it's about time) to do some . . .

⚡ In(tro)ductivity ⚡

Three Encounters of Electrifying Kind, or, Please Allow me to Introduce Myself Although I have no Wealth nor Fame.


1st encounter: As a kid, a few years old, I already constructed my first radio, not a real working apparatus but one made of an old shoebox and some empty wooden thread spools that my mother had dyed in bright colours for me.


2nd encounter: Around the age of six, Saint Nicholas gave me an electric toy train with a 4,5V battery control box, it soon got upgraded with a transformer of the same size as a flat battery, it fitted snug in the controller.

In those days we had 110V AC mains voltage, then 220V AC came around the corner.

Street by street all household electrical appliances (including lightbulbs, thingomagics, whojemabobs, whatsjemacallits and loads of whattefers) were upgraded with 220V parts (free of charge (FL.0,00), or is that a false memory ?!).

Vacuum cleaners got newly wound electric motors, radios were given a new transformer, new heating elements were built into old flatirons, etc., most of this was returned within an hour or a day or two (mobile workshops also came around the corners of our streets).

However might been it, in my train control a larger transformer did not fit, therefore the power plug was replaced by a transformer 2 to 1 (probably the first wall warts I've seen).

Nowadays many plugs have legs that are partially insulated, not then (those were bare leg sxi days) !
Now there's a reason for this insulation I like to tell about, wall sockets were (for reasons of safety) placed on a level to high up for toddlers kids and most other critters.

Not me ! When standing on my toe tips I could reach just high enough to put the plug in the socket. One day, trying to plug in the somewhat heavier wall wart, I nearly dropped it, as I tried to catch it in a reflex (pins were already halfway in the socket) my fingers slipped between the two pins and I received a nasty shock of fresh new current (220V AC), óh boy, what a reflex that caused ! At first it scared the hell out of me, later on I became more curious, what vicious invisible monster could have bitten me like that ?

This event literally sparked my inquisitiveness towards electricity, later rewarded by the same Ol' Nick o' the Train. This time he gave me a Philips EE kit (he probably had a good connection with the same factory where my father was employed).

On a holiday in a rural area I surprised the farmer where we were guests with a two transistor radio, built by myself out of wires, springs and real electronic parts on a peace of perforated hardboard (an OA91 was worth a pocket full of pocket money, as I recal). I asked the simple soul if I could use the clothesline for an antenna, he said with a tone of disbelieve in his voice "All right kid", I placed my electickery on his workbench in the shed a peace of old wire went out the stable window to the iron clothesline, switch on, and there was Hocus Pocus Hilversum, in surprise his chin fell next to my radio on the workbench !


3rd encounter: All good comes in three they say. But was my first encounter with an Acorn Atom when I visited a friend and heard him grumble about his Atom's poor performance.

I was in my early twenties and by then I already had some experience with programming on a Sinclair ZX81 (I'll never forget those soft chewing gum "multifunction" keys).

After interrogating my friend about the trouble he experienced and getting his approval to try my diagnostic talents on the problem, I started by learning basic-, assembler- and machine-code language on his Atom.

A few visits later I was able to fumble a program out of the keyboard, of which I later learned that such software was known as TSR (Terminate Stay Resident), this program monitored what the µp was executing and poked a small list of the most important recent events (data and addresses) in a vacant part of memory, overwriting it time and again (memory was scarce).

I programmed my friend to refrain from all activities regarding the Atom as soon as the annoying error occurred again, but leave the power on please !

By peeking the poked memory I diagnosed the cause was data in the floating point ROM changing over time !

Because ROM is not supposed to behave like that, we went to the shop where he had purchased it (Stuut & Bruin, óh how sad I am, my foster home is gone). None of he shop assistants believed what I was telling them, "Hé, over here, come and listen to this" and "You can't ram data into ROM, it doesn't change !" they said laughingly, a nitwit newcomer as I was to them.

But I challenged them to prove this by putting the Atom on the torture rack (read test/workbench), and we all saw it happen !

What was the case here ? As the Atom was switched on, the ROM was at room temperature (all sound and well), but after intensive use the temperature rose causing some bits to topple, with unwanted random results.

We received a ROM replacement for free, the problem never occurred again, my friend was happy and I became a Six Five O Two addict and a regular customer at Jos de Bruin's store with privilege of 10% off and freedom to roam the whole store unattended, I just had to make a list of items I was trying to steel on a little paper bag and then they'd pick a price out of thin air.

Later on I started studying industrial electronics more seriously, for insiders I say VEV MIE, MTS and Anthony Fokker HTS (Binkhorst), I became a freelance electronics engineer, working as a roadie and technician for different bands in the 's-Gravenhaagsche and Voorburgsche pop scene and for several recording studios all over the country, repairing and building all kind of equipment (sometimes tailor made according to my own design), I also tinkered a bit in mathematics when I was thirtyish (Open University).

I was filling the jobless time gaps between those activities as a freelance motor courier for international military and ministry staff, oil company or bank, had to take care of travel tickets, visa, transport of contracts and other securities, visiting embassies and the real rich, along the way discovering that money, travelling around the world and meeting other VIP's not necessarily makes one happy, "Is Mr. Soandso home, I have the pocket money for his weekend in Casino Zandvoort, beware it is a lot, watch out, the envelope is almost tearing!", etcetera.
In summer doing my work on my private motorbike a big black BMW R60/6 (same model as the police used, which fact saved me from many fines), in winter in a company car, a hitch-hiker on the passenger seat, under his butt an envelope (if he'd only knew what he was keeping warm), after they got to know me, gates of military sites were opened remotely for me as soon as I appeared above the horizon, no GSM trace-tracking boss, no one knew my whereabouts, doing 160 klicks on the motorway, as soon as job was done and customers were happy, lying in the sun on the grass beside a river, FREEDOM !


At some point the "Randstad" became more of a ghetto than I considered healthy, I grabbed my chance and emigrated to the "dark inlands of Drenthe". But on a stay at the same Atom owner's house in "Het Haagje", he asked for my assistance on a similar error as before with the Atom but this time in a brand new state of the art 486 PC.

The Sysop at his employer's office (PTT Neherlab, the PC was meant to be used for working at home), could not find the cause of trouble.

After intensive extensive research (diagnostic software downloaded from the sysop's server brought no result), I discovered an SMT resistor on the loose, hiding between the contacts of a DRAM connector (I never discovered where it originated). The only way I could see the darn thing was by aid of a small flash-light with my head halfway inside the open PC casing (don't worry, I took antistatic precautions).

The method I applied to remove the resisting resistor was a well dosed slap with the flat of my hand on the bottom of the upside-down turned machine (I never told my friend). I caught the bug(ger) (not my friend, the resistor) with a strip of Cellotape®, nailed it on a piece of white card, wrote "To Sysop, with compliments" on the card and handed it over to my friend (don't know what became of it, did he really dared to deliver it ?), meanwhile, problem solved !

As time went by I had less of it for the Atom, but now I am re-tired (opnieuw van banden voorzien ?) I have tightened my ties with the ghost of Acorn. Trying to create a new Atom before I die (doesn't that sound a bit like a worn-out god ?).

Anyway, this story tells more about me than I meant when I started to write it, nevertheless . . . not making this endless, hope it made sense and stop making sense.

The End (of the ⚡ In(tro)ductivity ⚡).

I know, I know, I'm lazy, I just copied my introduction from an other Forum and pasted it here (but still, it's about me).

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 8:00 am
by PaulaM
Hi, I'm Paula and I'm in the UK.
50<cough>-something years old.

My first computer was a VIC20, then C64 then SX64 before switching to an ST for music.
I did some assembly language programming on my C64 for a school project back in 1985 (I feel old).

I'm building myself a 65C02 based system, just for fun, I've gotten a bit, well, carried away as you can see from the picture.


Power supply PCB – This gives me up to 15W from USB-PD or if you used an external 9V-36V DC power supply you can have up to 50W (more on why later)
The 6502 CPU Card – The 6502 (currently running at 10MHz), ROM, RAM and USB C serial port for console
The FM Speec card – The has an OPL3 FM engine on board (YMF262) and an allophone speech synth chip (SP0256-AL2).
The Storage card – this gives 8 bit access to Compact flash cards
Dual SPI card – this is taken from Dayrl’s 65SPI2 project All I’ve done is pop two of these on the PCB and add some address decoding.
65C22 VIA card – a simple 65C22 based VIA card, allowing 2 ports of 8 bit input or output (or any mix).
Apple II slot card – This provides two apple II style slots (but not all of the power rails, and a different address to the apple II)
In the top is a a T2A2 transputer adapter card fro, Geekdot.com and this is why having higher power is essential. Each TRAM (Transputer module) needs about 800mA, I plan to have 4 TRAMs.

I've also got a keyboard and keyboard card to go into the stack (waiting on PCBs to arrive).

My plans? Other than adding loading and saving to the OSI BASIC to let me use the CF I have no idea :)
I would kill to be able to port BBC basic to this, but my software skills are just not up to that.

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 8:16 am
by BigEd
Welcome! A nice system indeed. Thanks for starting this topic on it.

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 8:26 am
by GlennSmith
PaulaM wrote:
Hi, I'm Paula and I'm in the UK.
I would kill to be able to port BBC basic to this, but my software skills are just not up to that.
Hi Paula. Welcome to the forum. An impressive 6502 'stack' you have there. You may not have to kill anyone to get the Beeb basic - there are quite a few other addicts around here! Look at some of the posts from Gordon "Drogon", for example.
Anyway, have fun !

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 4:36 pm
by BigDumbDinosaur
PaulaM wrote:
Hi, I'm Paula and I'm in the UK.

Welcome to 6502-land.

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50<cough>-something years old.

You’re a youngster compared to me.  :D

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I did some assembly language programming on my C64 for a school project back in 1985 (I feel old).

1985?  Why, that’s only 40 years ago.  :lol:

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I'm building myself a 65C02 based system, just for fun, I've gotten a bit, well, carried away as you can see from the picture.

That’s an impressive-looking system.  Architecturally, it reminds me of a downtown Chicago parking garage...what you British folks would call a “multistorey car park”.  Is that your first build?  I’d be interested in seeing a schematic for it.

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I would kill to be able to port BBC basic to this, but my software skills are just not up to that.

That would be a worthwhile goal, since as microcomputer BASIC interpreters go, the Beeb’s rendition is quite advanced.  There is no shortcut to becoming skilled in the art of writing good software—it takes lots of time, peppered with many mistakes.  Just keeping hacking away at it and at some point you will become an expert.  :)

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2025 6:48 pm
by electricdawn

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electricdawn@trautonium [19:15] ~ # whoami
Well. Who am I?
I was born at the dawn of the '60s. You know, Cold War, My Generation, student protests against the Vietnam war, oppression, the burgeoning "green" movement, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, The Who, The Pink Floyd and all of those great bands starting with "The". But that was a bit before I came aware of it. I was a kid, after all, during that time.

My time started with the 70's. Queen, Supertramp, Genesis and later on Rush and Yes. By now you probably have realised that I'm a computer AND a music nerd. I'm a musician myself (strictly amateur). Today, among cherishing my '95 Rickenbacker 2001 v63 Bass and a 2000 Fender Precision Bass (American Standard) I dabble in Euro-Rack and semi-modular synthesisers.

But I also love computers and electronics. I owned a lot of them. Well, back in the 80's. A Z80 board and power supply(!) with no case that used a keyboard with switches that used the Hall effect! (pretty advanced at the time). I forgot the name of it, even though this was my first computer.
I also had a VC-20 (as the Vic-20 was called in Germany), an Atari 600XL, an Epson QX-10(!) (look it up. It's a monster and it broke my bank account), an Amiga 500, several open boards of an AT-compatible computer (Hercules graphics card) and, beginning in the 90's, I finally discovered my true love - the Apple Macintosh.

My first Mac was a Mac LC and it went on from there. Too many to mention (including the first incarnation of the iMac) as well as some PCs in between. My current computer is a Mac mini with a M2 Pro. Gotta need the power to play games. :P Yes, I'm an avid gamer since the 80's. And I'm also stubborn and play them on a Mac. Crazy, I know.

I learned programming in my "Informatik"-classes during my Technische Gymnasium days. I started programming Basic first, then "evolved" to Z80 assembler, 6502 assembler, Pascal, 8086 assembler, finally C. I meddled with dBASE. The buck stopped there, so to speak, for a while. By the end of the 90's I started to get into Web-programming with HTML, Javascript and - most people probably don't remember this - Cold Fusion (something like PHP, but proprietary). I also learned PHP and SQL. My only two years where I programmed professionally were in Cold Fusion and SQL.

It's all mostly forgotten now. I was a computer service technician for most of my professional work life. Nothing glorious. Nothing fancy. Now, that I'm retired, I long for and have returned to the "good ole days" of yore. My interest in assembly language got re-kindled after binge-watching Ben Eater's videos (yeah, I'm probably not the only one...).

And here I am, hacking away at my W65C02SXB educational development board, trying to develop something that I originally thought to be way beyond my skill level: A Forth Compiler/Interpreter for the 65C02. An obscure language for a now obsolete and obscure processor.

Yeah. It's nothing fancy. But it is MY code. And I like it. :)

Thank you all that have welcomed me here. I appreciate your comments and I'm happy to be here.

See you around.

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2025 8:54 pm
by barnacle
Belated welcome!

We are of an age; we got to see the good bands before tickets cost 500€ each...

(I'm from the UK, but moved to Germany five years ago, before the Great Mistake[tm])

Neil

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2025 9:10 pm
by electricdawn
I hear you, Neil... I hear you. Belated welcome to Germany. It's not perfect, by any means, but it's home. I hope it can be your home as well.

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2025 11:17 pm
by BigDumbDinosaur
electricdawn wrote:

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electricdawn@trautonium [19:15] ~ # whoami
I'm a musician myself (strictly amateur). Today, among cherishing my '95 Rickenbacker 2001 v63 Bass and a 2000 Fender Precision Bass (American Standard) I dabble in Euro-Rack and semi-modular synthesisers.
O Lord help us!  *Yet Another* bass player in our midst!  :shock:  Where’s Jeff???  :D

BTW, there are quite a few members around here who are musicians.  Dr Jefyll (the Jeff I mentioned above) plays bass (the violin-on-steroids kind), as do I, Garth plays cello, etc..

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And here I am, hacking away at my W65C02SXB educational development board, trying to develop something that I originally thought to be way beyond my skill level: A Forth Compiler/Interpreter for the 65C02. An obscure language for a now obsolete and obscure processor.
Forth may be obscure, but the 65C02 is hardly obsolete, and definitely not obscure.  Millions of them, mostly in ASIC form, find their way into products every year.  You’d be amazed where the little buggers turn up.  My previous microwave oven had one.  Mike Naberezny, 6502.org’s head monkey in charge, discovered that the instrument display in his automobile has one.  65C02s are everywhere...it’s likely upwards of 5 billion of them have been produced since inception—no one really knows for sure.  We are prone to thinking of x86 hardware as being everywhere, but production of the little, old 65C02 has got the Intel hardware grossly outnumbered.  :D

Due to its ubiquity, an enormous amount of information about the 6502 family can be found both in printed form and on-line—the 6502 and derivatives are arguably the most documented microprocessors ever developed.  At one time, it was estimated that a Google search of “6502” would produce close to one million hits.  :shock:

Re: Introduce yourself

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2025 7:03 am
by barnacle
BigDumbDinosaur wrote:
O Lord help us!  *Yet Another* bass player in our midst!  :shock:  Where’s Jeff???  :D

BTW, there are quite a few members around here who are musicians.  Dr Jefyll (the Jeff I mentioned above) plays bass (the violin-on-steroids kind), as do I, Garth plays cello, etc..
<cough> I too have a Fender Strat, and a Martin acoustic copy... not that I'm practised enough to play either in public any more...

Neil