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Re: BASIC with character LCD
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:53 am
by BigDumbDinosaur
It was a defective 65C02! [...]
I borrowed the one from my Apple IIe [...] and behold EHBasic runs perfectly now!
If you haven't already, can I suggest you try reinstalling the original CPU to verify that the problem returns? Crap happens, and it's possible to be misled. Just one example: I've seen cases where a problem disappeared after removing then reinserting
the very same IC -- in other words not a swap. But all the fussing around disturbed something. Maybe removed some tarnish from the socket, although that's not the only possibility.
J
I'll second Jeff's suggestion. Most of the sockets used in commercial stuff have tin-plate pins, with which contact degrades over time. Like Jeff, I've had cases where merely unplugging a seeming-defective part and then reinstalling it was all the "repair" that was needed. This can also apply to edge connectors.
The other possibility if a "replug" fixes a recalcitrant circuit is one or more flaky solder joints connecting the socket to the board are present.
Re: BASIC with character LCD
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:47 am
by GARTHWILSON
Yep, I've had that happen too, where only partially pulling ICs out of their sockets (not even all the way out) and pushing them back in fixed it.
Re: BASIC with character LCD
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:18 am
by BigDumbDinosaur
Yep, I've had that happen too, where only partially pulling ICs out of their sockets (not even all the way out) and pushing them back in fixed it.
We used to regularly do that on Basic Four minicomputers, especially the DRAM chips used in the smaller units (bigger ones used SIPPs, which had their own special problems). Most of the time, I'd just give a chip a firm push, which was enough to clear up any dodgy connections. Clients would be amazed at my "wizardy" when the machine would boot after me apparently having done nothing except touch one or two chips.
Re: BASIC with character LCD
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:08 pm
by barrym95838
From:
http://lowendmac.com/2015/apple-iii-cha ... t-failure/
Dan Kottke, one of Apple’s first employees, discovered the solution to the Apple III’s problem. One day he picked the machine up a couple of inches in frustration and slammed it down on his desk. The III jumped back to life. Kottke knew it was a faulty connector, but he didn’t tell anyone, as he was a “lowly engineer” (the phrase Jobs used to explain why he wouldn’t give him stock options). This was Kottke’s revenge.
Mike B.
Re: BASIC with character LCD
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:56 pm
by BigEd
On the topic of tarnished pins and bad connections, at least a few people have found a need to plug and unplug a connector onto their Acorn's Tube port a couple of dozen times before it comes reliable. Now, those ports will be well over 30 years old and never used until recently, so it's a bit of an extreme case - but in this hobby we do come across pretty old components and equipment.
Re: BASIC with character LCD
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 1:54 pm
by NickH93
I've definitely dealt with my fair share of having to reseat chips, restoring some computers in my free time.
Sadly though, I put the old processor back in, and the behavior returned. No sweat though, I will get another one and the GAL chip to restore my Apple IIe, and enjoy my now working breadboard computer! I have to figure out what to do with it now, but I can make it do more than just my monitor now, at least.
Thanks everyone for the continued help over the past year or so. Glad to say I'm done pulling out my hair out over this thing for now.