We at APATCO are simply trying to be there for anyone who wishes to continue using the 65xx technology. The 6502.ORG website is great, and we have no problem with Garth making chips available to the users. Selling individual chips is not our main focus, but simply provide as a service to our customers. Anyone who is interested in buying from APATCO can simply visit http://www.apatco.com/shop or go to http://www.apatco.com and click on "Online Store"

I'm not sure what more we can do to make our products become more searchable, but aikatt has been unable to find our products for some time now, so to make things easier I thought I would submit this post for any other individuals who have trouble searching. We will strive to make improvements to our website in the future.

Sincerely,
APATCO Technologies

Most of those who committed to buy my boards followed through. Fortunately, others came along and bought up the left-overs so I was not left holding unwanted parts. That is a risk you do need to be careful of. Do not over-buy too much. Its better to have folks wait until the next order than to have a large excess sitting around.

I found paypal works best for foreign purchases as the currency exchange is handled easily.

I used an international priority mail flat rate envelope which offers some security and speed (usually 7-15 business days to most European countries (Germany, England, Switzerland, Italy, Belgium, & Holland are some I recall sending to). The cost was ~$12.95 if done online with usps.com (account signup required). At the counter, it was ~$14.95 Those costs are a year old, postal rates may be a little higher now.

Hope that helps Garth!

Daryl

Strange. when I designed my POC unit late last year I had no trouble getting some 65C816s in a PLCC44 package from WDC. I suspect any difficulty you may have experienced may have been in your approach. The folks at WDC are a pretty nice bunch, if you ask me.

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I'd be interested to see what was in those E-mail exchanges. I've exchanged a few messages with Bill Mensch concerning some 65C816 technical matters and in every case, he gave me a prompt and courteous reply.


WDC generates most of their revenue by licensing IP, not by selling actual silicon. They make some MPUs and other support devices available for prototypers and small production runs. You can't expect to show up at their front door, metaphorically speaking, and expect them to deflect attention from their primary focus (IP licenses to custom ASIC houses) just to satisfy a onesie or twosie sale.


Not sure what a steel distributor has to do with microprocessors. Last I checked, silicon is the primary ingredient in MPUs and iron in steel.


Then go with them and quit complaining here. As I said above, I've found my dealings with WDC to be pleasant. Perhaps it was because I didn't act like the south end of a north-bound horse when I contacted them.

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Did you have trouble collecting payment from anyone you sent a board to? Or did you simply not send it until you got the payment?


Yeah, most needs the forum members would have are not very urgent.


I just sent a board to someone in Australia by USPS Priority, it cost $9, and it cost got there in 3 days. Not bad.

I collected payment then sent the packages - similar to EBay.

Overall, working with everyone was very easy. I would gladly offer another board or mini-kit again when and if I build more.

This is a great community to work with!

Yes, i agree, he is quite pleasant and easy to talk with. I had no problems whatever with him at any time. He is very inquisitive, too.



Forgive me, when you guys went on over the problem of ordering "oneses and twosies", over and over and over, i was merely trying to say, when i said i made large purchases of things, that i also make LARGE purchases of things, not only small purchases.



I am so glad you think don't ask like an ass when contacting suppliers, they probably appreciate that. However, just as you folks don't believe me whan i say i don't, i have decided to not believe you when you say you don't. Seems the relationship here is now cast in stone, and we can bicker at each other spitefully from now on.

I want to use the higher speed 6502 and related parts, i have a code base, and hands-on experience with the 6502 from Apple, thru Vic20, C64, and several 19 inch rack widths of cards plugged into the C64 in an industrial environment ~1983, as well as some standalone commercial applications. Not going to bore you with details you don't want to hear about, will nitpick over, and which someone will proclaim are off topic.

I fired off another email to WDC last nite, pointing out you guys were telling me you could buy from them, and asking plainly and forthrightly for an explaination why i could not. David Gray replied, located the email logs of last year, and forwarded copies of emails sent to me in January 2010. There's a few mistakes, in name, in addresses, possibly due to some "computer upgrade" or whatever. While Bill Mensch and i emailed back and forth (so i obviously has supplied the correct email address at the time), the sales dept apparently was out of the loop, i don't know what happened, but i didn't recieve their "quote" (a quote, when the price is on the webpage?), or pdf credit card "application" (Adobe won't open the copy Mr Gray sent this morning anyhow, so i do not know what is in it). I thanked him and asked for a https url or phone number to place the cc# order thru.

And i think this is the last time i will defend myself against your d**med insinuations that i always act the "south end of a north-bound horse". I don't always mind coming down to your level, but it is draining, and isn't always worth it.

aikatt

Here is a link the their credit card application:

http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/ ... 0Card1.pdf

It's located on the Order Form page of their website under the Payment Options paragraph.

Hope that helps.

Daryl

[quote="8BIT"]Here is a link the their credit card application:

http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/ ... 0Card1.pdf

It's located on the Order Form page of their website under the Payment Options paragraph.

Hope that helps.

Daryl[/quote]

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Darn it. I was hoping that they were offering their own credit card with a 6502 die in the corner. Now that would be cool.

Don't leave home without it.

John Eaton

Thanks, Daryl, but is that not still a form of clear type (actually, a photo) sent over the internet, which can be cached along the way anywhere and played back by someone else at any time? Besides, i have no fax. I wonder why they don't take paypal. Heck, i'd rather snailmail them a check than send a cc# in the clear online.

aikatt

Says a lot about the quality of Australia's postal system.

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ricard60 wrote:

"I could not find out wich type of 65C02 i have in that board, the top ID label of the 65c02 chip had been erased but i know for sure it is a 65C02.
Does anybody knows where i can find the old datasheet of the 40 pin 65C02? or if the 65C02 is 100% pin compatible with the WDC65C02S 40 pin package?"


If i leave pin 1 of the WDC65C02S grounded, can it work?

Pin 1 is the vector pull (VPB) signal on the W65C02S. From the 'C02 data sheet:

3.15 Vector Pull (VPB)
The Vector Pull (VPB) output indicates that a vector location is being addressed during an interrupt sequence. VPB is low during the last interrupt sequence cycles, during which time the processor reads the interrupt vector. The VPB signal may be used to select and prioritize interrupts from several sources by modifying the vector addresses.

It would be wise to leave this pin as a "no connect" if you don't plan to use it. WDC doesn't describe what effect grounding it may have. As it is an active low, you definitely don't want to connect it to Vcc, as the MPU will be trying to sink Vcc each time an interrupt occurs.

Also, watch out for pin 35, which is a "no connect." Again quoting the data sheet:

3.7 No Connect (NC)
The No Connect (NC) pins are not connected internally and should not be connected externally.

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I have doc for the Rockwell 65C02 which I can send next week if you PM me. But I checked their pinout and it's identical to that of the NMOS 6502. (The WDC version deviates from this.)

-- Jeff

Thanks Dr Jefyll,

I think i got it i will use one of theese new WDC processor, but i am still waiting for a quote from them.