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That analog **** makes my research more complicated

I think you can treat it all as digital, in the sense that a transistor is a switch. But it is bidirectional... And you can't divide up the circuit purely into neat logic gates. There are some interesting combinations.

By the way, the dynamic latches are the exact reason why a single stepping circuit must be careful about whether it stops with the clock high or low. One case will be fine, the other will have the leaking storage and will not be reliable.

Cheers
Ed

Thanks Ed, things become more clear to me.. )

50 kHz makes those 2 ms discharge rate )

At 500 kHz halfclock will last only 2us, its 1000 times shorter than discharge period )

So in order to recognize such capacitors I just need to pay attention on long polysilicon wires ?

Oh, I know.... When I see mosfets connected in parralel next time, I will add capacitor in schematics =)

Edit: like that :

Well, you won't always have two transistors - in fact, usually you'll only have one. You'll see these nodes in the timing shift register in the first picture you posted - at top right there's a master-slave flip-flop made of two dynamic latches. More or less.

But you probably only want to annotate a capacitor when the latch is single and there's no recirculation.

Wrote small script which helps to understand which instructions are affected by decoder.

http://ogamespec.com/6502/decoder.htm

Type IR-line into input fiels and press "Decode". Script will highlight affected opcodes.

Example : XXX110X1

Neat! It wasn't working for me at first, but I realised I was hitting 'Enter' rather than clicking on the button.

Todays speccy : Address pin



Bonus: Youtube videos, capturing my 6502 tracing skills

Part 1 : preparations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj-DcMYihp4

Part 2 : color scheme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTJygx3VAXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0O-IdJRQc

Part 3 : transistor level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-q5643WVno

Todays speccy : SYNC

Color :


Transistor level :


Logic:
SYNC = sync (driven by internal signal through amplifiers)

Found error in data latch (missing vias).

Updated transistor level schematics :

I completed reversing of data bus logic

Started random logic



Simple explanation :

Todays speccy : Registers X, Y, S

Color (bit 0):


Transistor level:


Logic:

Todays speccy : Predecode Register

Instantly recognisable! You notice how the first transistors from the databus are huge? I think that's to make the inverter's logic threshold a bit lower, which it needs to be because the databus is at TTL levels. Fortunately, it makes no difference to a logic sim. A big pulldown is a more eager one, so the output flips at a lower input voltage than it otherwise would.

You see the same thing in the next gate, after phi2, because the pass transistor transmits a degraded logic 1. The ClearIR inputs are normal sized by comparison. (As discussed previously, those PDn nodes are storage nodes.)

Cheers
Ed