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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:34 pm 
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BASIC and DTSS caught on at Dartmouth quickly, with a vast majority of undergraduates (and faculty) making use of the computer system via teletypewriters only several years after its inception. But by the early 1970s, with the personal computer revolution fast approaching, Kemeny and Kurtz began to lose control over BASIC as it achieved widespread popularity outside of Dartmouth. The language was being adapted to run on a wide variety of computers, some much too short of memory to contain the full set of Dartmouth BASIC features. Most notably, Microsoft built its business on the back of ROM-based BASIC interpreters for a variety of microcomputers. Although the language was ubiquitous in schools by the early 1980s, it came under attack by such notables as computer scientist Edsger W. Dijkstra for its lack of structure as well as by Kemeny and Kurtz themselves, who viewed non-Dartmouth "Street BASIC" as blasphemous and saw it as their mission to right the ship through language standardization and the release of True BASIC. But by then it was too late: the era of BASIC's global dominance was over.

In Endless Loop, author Mark Jones Lorenzo documents the history and development of Dartmouth BASIC, True BASIC, Tiny BASIC, Microsoft BASIC--including Altair BASIC, Applesoft BASIC, Color BASIC, Commodore BASIC, TRS-80 Level II BASIC, TI BASIC, IBM BASICA/GW-BASIC, QuickBASIC/QBASIC, Visual Basic, and Small Basic--as well as 9845 BASIC, Atari BASIC, BBC BASIC, CBASIC, Locomotive BASIC, MacBASIC, QB64, Simons' BASIC, Sinclair BASIC, SuperBASIC, and Turbo Basic/PowerBASIC, among a number of other implementations.

The ascendance of BASIC paralleled the emergence of the personal computer, so the story of BASIC is first and foremost a story--actually, many interlocking stories--about computers. But it is also a tale of talented people who built a language out of a set of primal ingredients: sweat, creativity, rivalry, jealousy, cooperation, and plain hard work, and then set the language loose in a world filled with unintended consequences. How those unintended consequences played out, leading to the demise of the most popular computer language the world has ever known, is the focus of Endless Loop.





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IMHO, much of "the spirit" of BASIC lives on in Python.


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Both designed, I think, as beginner's languages, or teaching languages.


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In Endless Loop, author Mark Jones Lorenzo documents the history and development of Dartmouth BASIC, True BASIC, Tiny BASIC, Microsoft BASIC--including Altair BASIC, Applesoft BASIC, Color BASIC, Commodore BASIC, TRS-80 Level II BASIC, TI BASIC, IBM BASICA/GW-BASIC, QuickBASIC/QBASIC, Visual Basic, and Small Basic--as well as 9845 BASIC, Atari BASIC, BBC BASIC, CBASIC, Locomotive BASIC, MacBASIC, QB64, Simons' BASIC, Sinclair BASIC, SuperBASIC, and Turbo Basic/PowerBASIC, among a number of other implementations.

I guess the author never heard of any of the Business BASIC (BB) dialects that dominated minicomputers in the 1970s and 1980s, and are still in use to this day. BB is substantially more powerful than any of the above-listed BASICs, and was designed from the onset to be multiuser and I/O-friendly.

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I guess the author never heard of any of the Business BASIC (BB) dialects that dominated minicomputers in the 1970s and 1980s, and are still in use to this day. BB is substantially more powerful than any of the above-listed BASICs, and was designed from the onset to be multiuser and I/O-friendly.

When I started working at my last job in 1985, inventory records were still kept with a system similar to a library card catalog. Soon after, they got a computer, Altair I think, with a single 8088, running Business Basic, and servicing eight or so terminals around the office. A few years later they went to a Novell system of disc-less PCs around the office all connected by a LAN. It was probably a necessary step in modernizing, but sure presented a lot of growing pains, as it was constant problems for probably the entire first year, maybe more. The older system with Business Basic running on a single computer servicing terminals was pretty much trouble-free.

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When I started working at my last job in 1985, inventory records were still kept with a system similar to a library card catalog. Soon after, they got a computer, Altair I think, with a single 8088, running Business Basic, and servicing eight or so terminals around the office.

That sounds as though it may have been running Concept Omega's operating system and Business BASIC interpreter (which eventually morphed into Thoroughbred—see below). Altair built quite a few 8088 and 8086 machines that were shipped with that configuration.

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A few years later they went to a system of disc-less PCs around the office all connected by a LAN. The name of the system will probably come to me as soon as I post this. It was probably a necessary step in modernizing, but sure presented a lot of growing pains, as it was constant problems for probably the whole first year. The older system with Business Basic running on a single computer servicing terminals was pretty much trouble-free.

Just about all of the major conversions we did in the 1990s were moving the client from a proprietary minicomputer system, such as a Basic Four or Point 4 system running one of several dialects of Business BASIC (BB) over to Thoroughbred's Dictionary-IV (an OO-oriented form of BB) running on UNIX and later on, Linux. Most of the conversions had the users working with terminals (almost always WYSE 60s), but we did have users on PCs running Dynacomm terminal emulation software. In the mid-2000s, we got most of our clients off the terminals, and either put them on PCs with Dynacomm or on thin clients running in WYSE 325 emulation mode.

One of the clients we thus converted is still running that environment, mainly because it's very reliable, so much so, I joke with them about how I'm losing money due to not having to make frequent service calls. Also, since they have the source code to their entire vertical application, modifications to accommodate changing business needs are possible. You can't say any of that about vertical applications running on Windows.

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