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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:31 pm 
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I'm studying a design I found online and the author uses a resistor of 0 ohms.

I searched online as to why you would do this but the results I got back wanted me to turn off my ad blocker which I refuse to do. :-)

Wouldn't a 0 ohm resistor pretty much be just a wire?

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I think it would. Is it used in effect as a jumper, to select an option?

Edit: see also
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/q ... ire/385941
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https://electronics.stackexchange.com/q ... m-resistor
where we learn that it's easy for machine placement of components, compared to a wire link, and also that it can be useful if there are design variations, in some of which it might be a non-zero resistor.


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Not that I can see. It's used in a video circuit.

Let me see if I can take a screen shot...

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Sorry, the scan is pretty low-res.

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Likely a few other uses:

1- Current limiting
2- Make it easier to route the PCB
3- Provide for a future circuit change, i.e., a voltage divider

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So, that chip's COMVID output happens to have a suitable impedance already, perhaps. Maybe some other chip or other variation would need a series resistor?


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The chip is the TMS9918.

There's actually two things I'm trying to figure out on that design, why the 0 ohm resistor and what value of ferrite bead they use on L1.

Perhaps the resistor was just so other values could be added in later for adjustments. Or maybe a variable resistor could be added?

For those that are curious, this design comes from a PDF I have that shows how to replace the dynamic RAM in a TMS9918 design with static RAM.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cbmee ... 2BVRAM.pdf

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Or the 9928A could be an alternate board option? that has "Y" on that pin.


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We used to use them sometimes as jumpers on single-sided boards. In this case though, I wonder if their CAD (pretty clearly OrCAD) gives it a default value of 0Ω until you fill it in, which they never finished.

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floobydust wrote:
Likely a few other uses:

1- Current limiting
2- Make it easier to route the PCB
3- Provide for a future circuit change, i.e., a voltage divider
4- A typo on the schematic.

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GARTHWILSON wrote:
In this case though, I wonder if their CAD (pretty clearly OrCAD) gives it a default value of 0Ω until you fill it in, which they never finished.

That's what I'm thinking. I don't see that 2N4401 lasting very long without something to limit base current when the COMVID output is high.

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BigDumbDinosaur wrote:
I don't see that 2N4401 lasting very long without something to limit base current when the COMVID output is high.[/color]

That's an emitter follower, so no resistor required.
But there is also the 470 ohm resistor to ground, which makes me think this is perhaps a voltage divider, or at least provides an option for one. Finding the value requires either thought and calculation, or trial and error. It's quite possible that it's a "work out the right value later" placeholder.


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TMS9918 datasheet, PDF page 80:
Nominal video output voltage levels specified for a 470 Ohm load:
Vwhite=3.0V, Vblack=2.3V, Vsync=2.0V.

Since monitors tend to have AC coupled video inputs, it isn't supposed to matter if there is a little DC bias voltage on the video signal.

The 2N4401 transistor works as an impedance converter for driving a 75 Ohm coaxial cable.
When a smaller video signal amplitude is needed, the Zero Ohm resistor can be replaced with another resistor for building a voltage divider.

From the datasheet, 2N4401 can drive up to 500mA.
Assuming a 0.65V voltage drop in the transistor, and a 75 Ohm termination resistor at the monitor input, the collector current would be
(3.0V - 0.65V) / (75Ohm || 75Ohm) = 63mA for white level,
(5.0V - 0.1V) / (75Ohm || 75Ohm) = 131mA for a short circuit between transistor base and VCC if the transistor goes into saturation.

2N4401: 500mA, 250MHz.
BC547: 100mA, 300MHz.
BC337: 800mA, 100MHz.

If you don't have a 2N4401 at hands, try using a BC337 instead, it's supposed to be fast enough.
If you don't have a 75 Ohm resistor at hands, use two 150 Ohm resistors in parallel instead.

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Composite video signal levels at wikipedia:

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Thanks everyone for the information.
And thanks ttlworks for that awesome deep dive!

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