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I am not sure. The Intel's 8088/8086/80186/80286 was NMOS/HMOS at least until the mid 80s. Motorola 68000 was initially NMOS. The 68008 was HMOS. However I don't know exact date of the introducing of the CMOS 68000, 8088, ...

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There's RCA's COSMAC, the 1802, from 1974. Had an 8 bit accumulator but "also included another set of sixteen 16-bit wide general-purpose registers." "The 16-bit registers can be incremented and decremented with single instructions" although in most other cases, it seems, the program needs to proceed byte by byte.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_1802

There's a problem in that '16 bit processor' is subject to any number of caveats or interpretations. I've no doubt this thread will explore some of the space... remember everyone, there is no right answer.


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Intel's 80C186 re-do of the 186 seems to have been sampled in September 1987:
https://www.cbronline.com/news/intel_sa ... 0186_chip/

Wikipedia says "The 68HC000, the first CMOS version of the 68000, was designed by Hitachi and jointly introduced in 1985"

(Whereas the '816 is said to date from 1983.)


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BigEd wrote:
Intel's 80C186 re-do of the 186 seems to have been sampled in September 1987:
https://www.cbronline.com/news/intel_sa ... 0186_chip/

Wikipedia says "The 68HC000, the first CMOS version of the 68000, was designed by Hitachi and jointly introduced in 1985"

So that would mean the 65C816 did predate CMOS versions of Intel and Motorola product, since the '816 was available in 1984, at least as samples.

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BigEd wrote:
There's RCA's COSMAC, the 1802, from 1974. Had an 8 bit accumulator but "also included another set of sixteen 16-bit wide general-purpose registers." "The 16-bit registers can be incremented and decremented with single instructions" although in most other cases, it seems, the program needs to proceed byte by byte.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_1802

There's a problem in that '16 bit processor' is subject to any number of caveats or interpretations. I've no doubt this thread will explore some of the space... remember everyone, there is no right answer.

The 8080 and 6800 also have 16-bit registers but nobody calls them 16-bit. Their CMOS variants were made in the 70s.

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> The 8080 and 6800 also have 16-bit registers but nobody calls them 16-bit.

Fair point! (I started posting about the 1802 before checking the capabilities, so I let myself down there.)


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Well, the Nec V20 and V30 were launched in March of 1984 and are 16-bit CMOS processors. I don't recall when I got my first one however... I still have one with a date code of Week 14, Year 1985.

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(It's another aspect of this sort of question: products are announced, sampled, available, and eventually in volume production.)


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BigDumbDinosaur wrote:
BigEd wrote:
Intel's 80C186 re-do of the 186 seems to have been sampled in September 1987:
https://www.cbronline.com/news/intel_sa ... 0186_chip/

Wikipedia says "The 68HC000, the first CMOS version of the 68000, was designed by Hitachi and jointly introduced in 1985"

So that would mean the 65C816 did predate CMOS versions of Intel and Motorola product, since the '816 was available in 1984, at least as samples.


Note really. CMOS 80C86 was available on 1983, see the October 1983 IEEE Micro, new products, at https://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/ ... 3rRUxbTMv5 :

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Future extensions to the family will include an 8-MHz version of the 80C86, a serial communications interface, octal bus transceivers, a bus arbiter, a DMA controller, and an 8/16-bit microprocessor. Most of these devices will be available for sampling in the fourth quarter of 1983. The last two will be available in the first quarter of 1984.


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The Zilog Z8000 was 16-bit and released in 1979 but was it CMOS?

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The Hitachi 6309 might be the winner, and is thoroughly a 16-bit design, with only the data bus width remaining 8-bit. Marketed as a second-source for the MC6809, it was apparently released in late 1982. At the time, its extended instruction set was not publicly documented - it had to be reverse engineered later by enthusiasts! But it was immediately popular due to its power efficiency, since it was a CMOS chip.

Let us not forget that the ARM1 was a working 32-bit prototype in 1985.


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Now I am sure that the 65816 was the first original 16-bit CMOS processor. The next was the famous Intel 80386. The 6309 is out of contest because it is officially 8-bit and its internal 16-bit structure was hidden until the end of the 80s.

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BitWise wrote:
The Zilog Z8000 was 16-bit and released in 1979 but was it CMOS?
It seems it was NMOS: https://www.old-computers.com/history/detail.asp?n=52&t=3

EDIT: This is also interesting even if it's not definitive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor_chronology


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