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BigEd
PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:32 am 
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It's well-known how to do multi-byte add and subtract, using carry. But how about multi-byte compare?

Here's the challenge: short and sweet code to compare two pairs of bytes (lets say in zero page) setting the Z, C and V flags appropriately. As it's a compare, rather than a subtract, you need not to modify the inputs - you might need a little zero page working space.

As a bonus challenge, the same for four-byte values.

(Inspired by a query over on anycpu)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:43 pm 
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Code:
        rep #%00100000         ; 16 bit accummulator
        lda value1
        cmp value2

:D

P.S. You didn't say which processor. :D

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:34 pm 
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Since Ed requested the V flag, I'm assuming he wants a signed compare, not the unsigned one you just posted.

... which brings up a question for Ed. Z V and N are needed for a full-featured signed comparison (without pre-biasing the inputs), while an unsigned comparison only requires C and Z. Why are you asking for C Z and V?

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Anyone with the luxury of a machine which can handle 16 bits in one go is welcome to tackle the extended four-byte challenge...

My gut feel is that C and V are fairly easy and Z needs just a little fiddling.

As a tangent, it seems interesting to me that subtraction is best handled LSB first, but comparison could - perhaps - be a little better handled MSB first.
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Oops! You posted while I was editing my previous post, Ed. Could you please re-read my edited post and help me understand you better?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:55 pm 
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Ah, yes. Good point: for signed or unsigned comparison routines we need only two of the three flags. For a single instruction that serves both purposes we'd have to produce all three. So I suppose I'm looking for a dual-purpose routine (or macro) which can be used for either case. Does that make sense? Or rather, do I now give the appearance of understanding my own challenge?

Edit: scratch that. There are four flags. Let me come in again...


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:57 pm 
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... so, there are four flags: C, N, V, and Z. And an eight-bit compare on an eight-bit micro will sensibly affect all of them, and so be useful for both signed and unsigned comparisons. Is that right?

So a reasonable challenge might be to write a multi-byte version, which also delivers four flags, and is therefore fit for all likely purposes.
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Chromatix
PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:33 pm 
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For unsigned compares, the following is sufficient:
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UCMP2:
  LDA a+1
  CMP b+1
  BNE :+
  LDA a+0
  CMP b+0
: RTS
This is trivial to extend to any number of bytes, and indeed the extra parts of such routines could be prepended to this one, or a generalised version implemented by preloading X and looping.

However, when signed integers get involved, the MSB comparison can still be used directly if the two are unequal, but the lower bytes' comparisons may need fettling of the resulting flags to match expectations. Things get even more complicated if one integer is signed and the other unsigned, as there are then MSB cases where the value of either integer may force the comparison result; this is something that C punts on as "undefined behaviour", but we should want to do better.

As it happens, CMP doesn't affect V; that is only set by ADC, SBC and BIT. And in fact it doesn't perform a correct signed comparison even on single bytes. For that, you must use SBC:
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SCMP2:
   SEC
   LDA a+0
   SBC b+0
   LDA a+1
   SBC b+1
   RTS
This clobbers A, but so does using CMP.


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BigEd
PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:35 pm 
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Chromatix wrote:
As it happens, CMP doesn't affect V ... in fact it doesn't perform a correct signed comparison even on single bytes.

Oh! I feel as if I should have known that.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:32 pm 
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Extending the problem to 4-byte integers, covering the mixed-signedness case, and optimising the signed case slightly:
Code:
MCMP4: ; a is unsigned, b is signed
  LDA a+3
  ORA b+3
  BPL UCMP4 ; if both values are in compatible unsigned range, compare them accordingly
  LSR A  ; either a is above b's range, or b is below a's range
  SEC    ; so enforce an "a greater than b" flag result
  RTS

UCMP4:
  LDA a+3
  CMP b+3
  BNE :+
  LDA a+2
  CMP b+2
  BNE :+
  LDA a+1
  CMP b+1
  BNE :+
  LDA a+0
  CMP b+0
: RTS

SCMP4:
  LDA a+0
  CMP b+0
  LDA a+1
  SBC b+1
  LDA a+2
  SBC b+2
  LDA a+3
  SBC b+3
  RTS
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How about adding an ORA/STA so you can detect zero? Something like:
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SEC
LDA A+0 ; Subtract bytes LS to MS
SBC B+0
STA TEMP ; Save difference
LDA A+1
SBC B+1
ORA TEMP
STA TEMP
LDA A+2
SBC A+2
ORA TEMP
STA TEMP
LDA A+3
SBC A+3
BVC *+6 ; Overflowed?
EOR #$80 ; Yes, correct sign of result
ORA #1 ; And result can not be zero
ORA TEMP ; Set Z for all bytes
RTS

If A and B are unsigned numbers then test the Z and C flags. For signed numbers use Z and N

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Hmm, thinking about it, I do need to extend the signed version a bit to ensure the result flags also reflect the less-significant bytes if the MSB of the difference turns out to be zero. In this case a must either be equal to or slightly larger than b. Revised code below:
Code:
MCMP4: ; a is unsigned, b is signed
  LDA a+3
  ORA b+3
  BPL UCMP4 ; if both values are in compatible unsigned range, compare them accordingly
  LSR A  ; either a is above b's range, or b is below a's range
  SEC    ; so enforce an "a greater than b" flag result
  RTS

MCMP2: ; a is unsigned, b is signed
  LDA a+1
  ORA b+1
  BPL UCMP2 ; if both values are in compatible unsigned range, compare them accordingly
  LSR A  ; either a is above b's range, or b is below a's range
  SEC    ; so enforce an "a greater than b" flag result
  RTS

UCMP4:
  LDA a+3
  CMP b+3
  BNE OUT    ; only need to check less significant bytes if MSBs are equal
  LDA a+2
  CMP b+2
  BNE OUT
UCMP2:
  LDA a+1
  CMP b+1
  BNE OUT
  LDA a+0
  CMP b+0
OUT:
  RTS

SCMP4:
  PHX
  TSX
  LDA a+0
  CMP b+0
  PHP
  LDA a+1
  SBC b+1
  PHP
  LDA a+2
  SBC b+2
  PHP
  LDA a+3
  SBC b+3
  BNE OUT2  ; if MSB of difference is zero, retrieve next most significant byte's flags
  PLP
  CLV  ; V flag only valid in MSB, clear it otherwise
  BNE OUT2
  PLP
  CLV
  BNE OUT2
  PLP
  CLV
OUT2:
  TXS
  PLX
  RTS
Perhaps not the fastest of code, but it should work accurately.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:22 pm 
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Bruce has an excellent write-up which seems to cover the subject here, but I haven't had a chance to read it in detail.

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Ah, so he has - and who better to do it! Well spotted. I should probably have searched.
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