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GARTHWILSON

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:43 pm

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hitlp wrote:

What would be the maximum acceptable time of edge rate?

That depends on the construction. Parts that are rated for 1 or 2MHz also tend to have slow edge rates that let you get away with murder, ie, solderless breadboards. But then you drop in a faster part, even running it at the same clock speed, and things quit working. If we can get a good picture, we can probably suggest, via photo editing, some changes in connection methods that will get things going again.

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Tor

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:24 am

Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:29 am
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Location: Norway/Japan

Martin A wrote:

The 4 that I was given, that all tested as re-marked NMOS parts, have the following on them:
UMC
W65C02S8P-10
0119S

In other words, this ebay store (huayi-components) is selling fakes. Don't go there.

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hitlp

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:44 am

Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:52 pm
Posts: 48

Hello guys.

It's me again and I'm just totally stuck. I reset all my circuit and simply when I set up the data bus to run NOP forever, A0 stays at 500 Hz. That is, it is not consuming 2 CPU cycles. Is it possible for this processor to have a "cache" of execution?

If you can also put a link where I can buy an original 6502, I thank you immensely.

Below are images.

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Chromatix

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:09 am

Joined: Mon May 21, 2018 8:09 pm
Posts: 1462

Wow, that looks like a *really* faded Rockwell logo, and there's no other markings visible in the photo.

Here's one relatively reputable option. They don't guarantee what brand of 6502 you'll get, and I'm not sure they would 100% test everything they get, but they at least won't *deliberately* rip you off.

Or you could order a brand-new WDC part from Mouser, who are an Authorised Distributor.

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whartung

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:06 am

Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:37 pm
Posts: 1004

hitlp wrote:

So, for laughs, is A1 half of A0, and A2 half of A1?

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hitlp

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:22 am

Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:52 pm
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whartung wrote:

hitlp wrote:

So, for laughs, is A1 half of A0, and A2 half of A1?

Exactly!!

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whartung

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:47 pm

Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:37 pm
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hitlp wrote:

whartung wrote:

So, for laughs, is A1 half of A0, and A2 half of A1?

Exactly!!

So, you actually have a chip that a) seems to have something like an address bus that's counting up, b) recognizes the code EA as something that moves the address bus forward.

It would be interesting to change the EA to a branch code, and discern what an address pin might look like over time, and see if that matches.

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BigDumbDinosaur

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:25 am

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 9:46 pm
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Location: Midwestern USA

Chromatix wrote:

Wow, that looks like a *really* faded Rockwell logo, and there's no other markings visible in the photo.

A little late to the discussion...that supposed UMC 65C02 is a counterfeit part, likely a Rockwell NMOS 6502, judging by the faded markings. If you want a genuine WDC 65C02 you must purchase one from Mouser or other authorized distributors, not from eBay. WDC DOES NOT sell any parts on eBay or through eBay vendors.

The Jameco pulls (none are NOS, as far as I know) in the past have been Rockwell CMOS parts pulled out of unsold modems. Jameco is a trustworthy supplier.

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BillO

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:03 am

Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:40 pm
Posts: 1007
Location: Canada

One of WDC's UK distributors actually does advertise on eBay. They have the best prices in the world too.

I bought 10 W65C02S6TPG-14 chips off him last year. All genuine prime stuff. They ended up costing me less than $5 USD each including the cost of shipping.

They go by the eBay name of toucano76, but they don't seem to have any on the offer right now, but they do have other WDC chips. When mine arrived they were shipped from Coltek UK Ltd. which is listed on WDC's site as a UK distributor.

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hitlp

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:53 am

Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:52 pm
Posts: 48

Hello guys,

I have some news about my project. While I can not get a real 6502, I'm using 6507 taken from an old Atari. The processor is responding correctly, for example when I use the data bus as "EA" (NOP). I made the connection to the EEPROM and it worked correctly.

Now, following the project [url] http://www.grappendorf.net/projects/650 ... world.html [/ url], I called the ACIA and a FTI232 to receive a string (Hello World) via serial.

It turns out that I only receive garbage according to the attached image.

My schematics is:

Since the 6507 has only 12 bits of address, my code used is:

Segments

Code:

MEMORY
{
  ROM: start=$2000, size=$2000, type=ro, define=yes, fill=yes, file=%O;
}

SEGMENTS
{
  CODE: load=ROM, type=ro;
  VECTORS: load=ROM, type=ro, offset=$1ffa;
}

Principal Code:

Code:

.setcpu "6502"

                 ACIA_DATA = $0000
                 ACIA_STATUS = $0001
                 ACIA_COMMAND = $0002
                 ACIA_CONTROL = $0003

                 .segment "VECTORS"

                 .word   nmi
                 .word   reset
                 .word   irq

                 .code

reset:           jmp main

nmi:             rti

irq:             rti

main:
init_acia:       lda #%00001011            ;No parity, no echo, no interrupt
                 sta ACIA_COMMAND
                 lda #%00011111            ;1 stop bit, 8 data bits, 19200 baud
                 sta ACIA_CONTROL

write:           ldx #0
next_char:
wait_txd_empty:  lda ACIA_STATUS
                 and #$10
                 beq wait_txd_empty
                 lda text,x
                 beq read
                 sta ACIA_DATA
                 inx
                 jmp next_char
read:
wait_rxd_full:    lda ACIA_STATUS
                 and #$08
                 beq wait_rxd_full
                 lda ACIA_DATA
                 jmp write

text:            .byte "Hello World!", $0d, $0a, $00

Any tips?

Regards.

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Chromatix

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:53 am

Joined: Mon May 21, 2018 8:09 pm
Posts: 1462

So - a 6551. Exactly which 6551 is it? The "latest genuine" WDC parts have a nasty hardware bug, though I don't think that's what you're seeing here.

Also, 19200 baud is near the limit of the 6551's capabilities. Usually 9600 or 1200 baud are better choices for initial tests.

Make certain both ends are set to the same speed for both transmit and receive (many UARTs can set TX and RX parameters independently). It looks like you're receiving more characters than you sent, which may indicate the receive speed is set too high, or the transmit speed too low. Note also that the values you need to poke into the 6551 depend on the clock speed attached to it (usually a UART has a standard-frequency crystal dedicated for this purpose).

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Dr Jefyll

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:23 am

Joined: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:50 pm
Posts: 3367
Location: Ontario, Canada

How have you modified the circuit? The 6507 lacks several signals noted in the original diagram (which is intended for 6502).

I think the connections formerly driven by A15 can connect to A12 (as shown). But other wiring questions remain. Also, some of the values declared in the program may need to be changed.

First, please tell us what you've done with the wiring.

cheers
Jeff

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hitlp

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:40 am

Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:52 pm
Posts: 48

Hello guys,

Well answering the questions, I tested with baudrate of 1200 and 9600 and kept getting trash on the way out. I am using as clock source, a crystal of 1.8432 MHz connected in pins 6 and 7 of 6551.

Answering Dr Jefyll, since the 6507 only has addressing up to A12, I connected this port to 6551 as if it were the A15 of 6502. Another replacement I did was that, instead of the AT28C256, I'm using the AE29f2008-12 which is a memory flash removed from a PC BIOS. The pinning is very similar to the AT28C256.

The other ROM address pins are disconnected, as A13, 14 and 15.

What can be wrong? :roll:

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Chromatix

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:04 pm

Joined: Mon May 21, 2018 8:09 pm
Posts: 1462

The unused ROM input lines must be tied definitely either high or low, not left floating. This is generally true of all CMOS inputs, even of spare gates on a multi-gate 74-series chip. Having not done that, there is a good chance the ROM is confused about what addresses the CPU is requesting.

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hitlp

Post subject: Re: Writing in EEPROM and reading by 6502

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:37 pm

Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:52 pm
Posts: 48

Dr Jefyll wrote:

Also, some of the values declared in the program may need to be changed.

cheers
Jeff

What values may need to be changed?

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