what's up with the 'you cannot sell the product or products containing the product to anyone else' at the bottom of mouser orders for WDC65C22's


that notice was not on the pro-forma, not on the website, not anywhere. but on the 'view invoice' for the order status on the website.
do they just do that when we order stuff, limited to WDC products, or is this some generic mouser thing?

kinda weird as they sell and bill from EU front ops to OUR eu front-ops and the products (all wdc chips) are made at TSMC in china anyway. no idea what the 'usa' would have to do with any of that other than providing passports and licenseplates to the ceo of wdc (and maybe mouser). in other words: none of their business what we do with our property.

Welcome to our world cb3rob!

That looks like to me like boilerplate - might expect it for high-end FGPAs but not for 6522. It makes little sense to me. Actually, no sense. But that's not unusual in boilerplate. If you're an individual, rather than a company, I'd say just ignore it. A company might possibly care, in case their Mouser account was closed and they couldn't get supplies. Maybe WDC impose this on resellers, so that high-volume customers go direct??

Welcome to the forum, cb3rob.

The 6502 family is on the list of things that can't be exported to certain countries.
It's reliable, it has no built in hidden backdoors (I think) ... and it has more than enough computing power to jupiter something.

As long as you are not using the 6502 in certain products, and\or as long as the products are not getting sold to certain countries,
I think there is no problem. ("I think" means: I don't know for sure.)

(BTW, I was careful in my comment not to introduce any overtly political remark: we all know where that goes. In my view, it would be best if we can all avoid commenting on the wisdom of legislation or the roles of various governments in the world, or indeed in the issues around weaponry of all kinds. If we can.)

The problem with technology is, that it's just technology.
It doesn't care if it's getting used for good or for bad things.

So the manufacturer and the officials sometimes have to care.

BTW: there also might be export restrictions for some of the connectors,
for some of the high quality electrolytic capacitors,
and for some of the high precision resistors.

Nobody would expect something like a hobbyist who is out to build a home computer
or an audio amplifier that's reliable and that lasts nowaday.
How dare you ?

I haven't seen the 'cannot re-sell to anywhere' or similar, before. But a couple of times I've been emailed by e.g. Digikey when I've ordered some Z80 peripheral IC or something similarly low-techy and had to "sign off" that I wouldn't use the component in <list of countries>, and I also had to state exactly what I wanted to use it for. After signing that off they shipped.

If you are making a product and selling it then you have to worry about doing business with a small number of countries. Like anything else government related the guidelines are exhaustive and an individual or small company would be hard pressed to digest and follow things to the letter. I stay away from shipping anything involving electronics to places like Iran, the Russian Federation, Afghanistan, etc. . When asked I politely say no. But when buying electronic components from large suppliers I almost always see such a disclaimer checkbox about exporting things.

seems like it's time wdc and mouser go find themselves another supplier of passports and car licenseplates that doesn't get in their way hindering free trade, or tries to abuse their clients to become part of their self-chosen 'fights' with certain entities. comrade stalin would be proud. next time we'll just order from the chip fab directly. lol. (not that we really care about us "laws" anwyay also a dropping address neither is a 'destination country' nor an 'end user' so neither are 'contained herein'. what is contained is some address used to forward mail. as that is all that was asked for somehow that seems to have magically turned into either a 'destination country' or an 'end user' somewhere in between placing the order with a legal entity owned by mouser and them deciding to ship from texas instead of europe lol. (guess if the usa can't refrain from abusing people that buy company registrations of them, they should take their dollars elsewhere, venezuela is nice this time of year and has lower taxes

As BigEd said.

The companies aren't doing this for themselves, they're required to do this.

Some of these parts, for whatever reason, fall on restricted lists, and that's just the way of it.

They also do other compliance things like collect taxes.

There are certain scenarios that raise export (and import) flags with any ordering of components, regardless if it's electronics, mechanical bits, etc. For example:

John Smith orders qty. 2 W65C22 chips, qty.1 W65C02 chip and maybe qty. 1 or 2 other components. This will generally fall in the category or personal use. Customs on both sides probably won't bother looking at it either.

Next, John Smith orders qty. 10 W65C22, qty. 6 W65C02 and perhaps another few chips in quantities of 5-10 each, and happens to put J.S Industries as a company name. This will generally fall out of the category of personal use. Customs might actually take a second look at this one.... as the components ordered might actually be going into a product that will be sold. In any case, the company exporting the goods has to comply with country policies and regulations on how the paperwork is filled out.

The other parameter that can raise a flag is the total costs of good being exported or imported (countries do vary on this one) but in the US, an individual can buy goods from foreign countries for personal use up to $2500 in value. It's more of the quantity of any particular item that raises the flag of intent... and if you put a company name on that order, that gets a second look.

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it's more like 'being transported through' the usa than 'being exported'...
http://www.tsmc.com/chinese/default.htm as this is where they are made
but anyway, next time we'll just remember to skip the 'usa-in-between' step lol. can't have third parties (the usa) utter weird demands as to what we do or don't do with our property. matter of principle.

all nice and well for some prototypes (although selling to us automatically implies instant export but for prototypes that indeed is both the destination country and the end-user) but for products we don't intend to engage in bi-lateral treaties with the usa, as their list of enemies shall not be made ours. slipping it in at the bottom of some invoice is a big no-no while at the same time trying to turn a drop off address into a 'final destination country' (as if such a thing still exists nowadays, even systems fixed to our buildings we usually take out again and put in another building entirely elsewhere if we dissolve a point of presence, as for systems fixed to vehicles: haha. they seriously wanna say we can't drive our cars into iran? haha they must be bat **** crazy

and here i was thinking that those 'export restrictions' would only apply to 'nuclear warheads and their delivery systems with a capacity of 500kg or more', trucks that come with a gun rack on the roof as a default factory option, and simular stuff nope. apparantly also 40 year old chip designs. somehow i think 'iran' is more than capable of producing their own 65c22's tho. all they do is get in the way of their own economy that way. not only did russia clone the z80 and 6502 back in the days, they cloned the whole computer around it as well. so far for the effectiveness of that approach