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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:11 pm 
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This is not related to the 6502 at all, in fact, it doesn't even have to do with any processor: An amazing project with a BYO computer made only of ROM and RAM: http://2x-1.net/ob/gray1/ . Posted here because I'm guessing a lot of people will love the details of how this works. The creator is Olivier Bailleux, associate professor in computer science at Burgundy University. Via Hackaday.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:27 pm 
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Neat link. Thanks for posting it.


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scotws wrote:
I'm guessing a lot of people will love the details of how this works.
You're right. I love it!


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That contraption should be named Big Mess O'ROM. :D

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All functions can be replaced with a sufficiently large lookup table, including CPU functions. :)

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It reminds me of some of the ingenious things people did with RAMs and ROMs when these were 'new'.

For example, some of the early radio gear with digital displays and switch-selectable programmable memories. Or things like TV Typewriter.

It's great to see people thinking this way instead of the usual "need Arduino," or "need Linux" mentality so prevalent today.


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KC9UDX wrote:
It reminds me of some of the ingenious things people did with RAMs and ROMs when these were 'new'.

For example, some of the early radio gear with digital displays and switch-selectable programmable memories. Or things like TV Typewriter.

It's great to see people thinking this way instead of the usual "need Arduino," or "need Linux" mentality so prevalent today.

The host adapter of the original Lt. Kernal (LK) hard drive subsystem for the Commodore 64 used ROM for not only combinatorial logic it implemented a state machine for bus sequencing and timing. At the time of its development in 1984, the LK was using the old SASI (Shugart Associates System Interface) bus, for which no interface devices existed (SASI eventually morphed into SCSI, which was standardized in 1986). Ergo the LK's host adapter had to not only drive the SCSI bus (using the MC6821 PIA), it had to execute the bus protocol, which in addition to requiring that signals be manipulated in the correct order, had to done within strict timing deadlines. It worked well enough to produce a bus throughput of 38KB per second, which was pretty darn fast for a computer with a 1 MHz, eight bit MPU.

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Fascinating, thanks for sharing.


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I see it's filed under "Unusual Projects" - no kidding!

The idea of a double-clocked Gray-coded program counter, now that's very interesting.


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White Flame wrote:
All functions can be replaced with a sufficiently large lookup table, including CPU functions. :)

Yup. :) But to deny himself the use of registers -- either transparent or edge-triggered -- is really pushing the envelope! :shock: This fellow has won my admiration -- very hardcore! Thanks for posting this, Scot. Folks who found this interesting may also enjoy the following project.

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Just like a 6502! It has a two-phase clock. :D

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scotws wrote:
This is not related to the 6502 at all, in fact, it doesn't even have to do with any processor: An amazing project with a BYO computer made only of ROM and RAM: http://2x-1.net/ob/gray1/ . Posted here because I'm guessing a lot of people will love the details of how this works. The creator is Olivier Bailleux, associate professor in computer science at Burgundy University. Via Hackaday.



He got it to work without output flops or latches by using a gray code address
generator and a two phase clock on A0.
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