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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:41 pm 
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How do you do those nice layout pictures?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:48 pm 
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Hmm, could you link to one or two examples of what you mean?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:02 pm 
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Sure. Sorry :mrgreen:
E.g. the one here of cbscpe

Dr. Jeffyl does quite a lot.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:43 pm 
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Ah, they could well be Eagle circuit diagrams. But Dr J will doubtless clarify!

(Eagle is free for personal use, up to a certain size of PCB.)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:20 pm 
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Hobbit1972 wrote:
How do you do those nice layout pictures?

Are you referring to the content itself or how it is attached to the message?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:29 pm 
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I hope I'm answering the right question! The images I post are produced with Paint Shop Pro, an image editor comparable to Photoshop or GIMP. Sometimes I start with a screen capture and modify it; other times I draw by hand (greatly assisted by the clone brush and a long list of other tricks). When motion is required I use PSP's companion program, Animation Shop.

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(from my "Visual Guide to 65xx CPU Timing")

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:37 pm 
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Dr Jefyll wrote:
I hope I'm answering the right question! The images I post are produced with Paint Shop Pro, an image editor comparable to Photoshop or GIMP. Sometimes I start with a screen capture and modify it; other times I draw by hand (greatly assisted by the clone brush and a long list of other tricks). When motion is required I use PSP's companion program, Animation Shop.


Oh, wow! I am impressed - didn't expect these diagrams to be the product of Photoshop. I expected some layout software...

@BDD: Attachings pics to msg is clear. I just look for a convenient way to draw a piece of layout so I could post it here.

@BigEd: so far I'm still to "frightened" to give Eagle a go. It looks like a lot of training & practice might be needed.


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Hobbit1972 wrote:
didn't expect these diagrams to be the product of Photoshop. I expected some layout software...
Different tools suit different goals. Schematic drawings created automatically (such as by Eagle) reflect actual CAD data already generated as part of the work flow. In contrast, the example drawings I posted are readable and writable by humans only -- not by machines. I like how PSP allows me to be very expressive in how I present an idea. But there's no automatic error-checking or anything like that. I do follow some simple design rules to keep my schematics tidy.

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I use GIMP for image-processing software, but I never bothered to learn to draw with it. My CAD has a schematic-capture portion as probably all do, but there are things about all schematic-capture programs that I don't like, so I still do my schematics by hand, doing the biggest ones on a large drawing board. I draw quite small to get the most complex circuits on an 18"x24" velum (and may mark in the title box something like, "Page 1 of 2"), not going any larger because I don't have the room. Kinko's can make photocopies up to at least 48" wide, with the length being even greater, on bond paper, unlike the old blueprint process.

A neighbor gave me a used scanner I use frequently to digitize hand-drawn diagrams, but it won't even go up to 11"x17", let alone 18"x24". After a page is scanned, I use GIMP to get rid of the stray marks, make the background totally white (so data is not wasted showing the grain of the paper), etc.. An example on my website is the basic whole-computer schematic at http://wilsonminesco.com/6502primer/pot ... ml#BAS_CPU which I drew on an 11x17" paper and then reduced on a photocopier before scanning. I got very proficient at using OrCAD for schematics at my last place of work, but will not go back to it.

Jeff seems to be the .gif expert around here, generating the nice repeating motion-picture diagrams.

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Hobbit1972 wrote:
@BigEd: so far I'm still to "frightened" to give Eagle a go. It looks like a lot of training & practice might be needed.


Don't be frightened. Download it, get it running, and follow along while you watch a tutorial or two. It doesn't take long to get the hang of the basics of schematic entry. And it is very useful if you ever want to play with hardware.


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