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 Post subject: It's Dead
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:27 pm 
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This forum is dead, but if anyone wants to answer is it a decent language or would I be better of with a ROM basic

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:56 pm 
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This forum is dead, but if anyone wants to answer is it a decent language or would I be better of with a ROM basic

Dead? I recently counted over 40 posts in one day. The Yahoo 6502ag forum is dead—pretty much destroyed by spammers quite a few years ago, and they left such a bad taste in everyone's mouth that it never bounced back. That one will go sometimes months between posts. I have been determined that spammers won't get this forum, and at the peak of the spammer problem, I was kicking out over 20 per day and removing their garbage immediately. I don't have anything charming to say about spammers—to put it mildly. It took a lot of my time to stay on top of it; but we did not succumb to them. Now Mike has made it so someone has to really want to be here to get in—ie, it's not the easiest, and it's too bad it has to be that way—but we almost never get the idiots who want to sell their handbags, trinkets, porn, or other junk anymore—only people who come for the right reasons.

I have not used EhBASIC myself, but looked it over several years back and was impressed at the many good features it had that weren't in BASICs like what was on early home computers. Hopefully its writer, Lee Davidson, or others who have used EhBASIC, will check in soon and give more info, but I suspect you could put it in ROM if you wanted to. From what I've seen, it is indeed a very good BASIC!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:25 pm 
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Sorry I meant that the ehBASIC forum here is dead

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:19 pm 
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It's not dead, it's low-traffic. Don't suppose that there needs to be a post every 5 minutes to indicate that there is interest and expertise. And please think twice before posting anywhere if your primary message is that there's nothing of value to be found: it merely means that you are not the target audience.

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[Edit: removed call for moderator action. James and the forum have come to an understanding of how to work together.]


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:25 pm 
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James_Parsons wrote:
Sorry I meant that the ehBASIC forum here is dead

In a way, that's good. Low traffic on a forum that supports software being used by a number of folks tends to suggest that the software works well and isn't too difficult to understand and implement. I have not used ehBASIC but others have and have been pleased. POC V2 will be able to support ehBASIC, which I will adapt when the time comes. I've given some consideration to adapting it to POC V1, but already have plenty of other stuff to do.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:29 pm 
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There's this myth that if the traffic on the forum/mailing list for a particular piece of software is low, then the software is "bad". There's a general leaning away from "mature" software. As BDD says, traffic may be low because folks using it aren't having issues. Software is allowed to stop, to be feature complete, and to enter maintenance mode in case some new bug shows up.


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whartung wrote:
There's this myth that if the traffic on the forum/mailing list for a particular piece of software is low, then the software is "bad". There's a general leaning away from "mature" software. As BDD says, traffic may be low because folks using it aren't having issues. Software is allowed to stop, to be feature complete, and to enter maintenance mode in case some new bug shows up.

EhBasic for 6502 is easy indeed. You can port it to any system in no time.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:25 pm 
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Old topic, but new for me... :D

EhBASIC runs very well from ROM, if that's what you want to do with it.

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I haven't implemented EhBASIC on anything, but am looking to try port it to my next generation POC unit (V2), which will have much more RAM (How about 4MB?). To that end, I have spent more than a little time examining the source code to get a feel for how it might do on a 65C816 running in native mode.

Structurally, EhBASIC is very well designed, showing the benefit of a lot of clear thinking, is adequately commented to allow a non-naive programmer to tinker with its innards, and appears to be efficient in operation. String handling is as one would expect from a BASIC implementation that is to be run on a "small" machine. I can't discern how well or fast string garbage collection will perform, but it doesn't look like the problems encountered in BASIC 2.0 on eight bit Commodore hardware would arise.

I say if you want BASIC go for it and load EhBASIC.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:31 pm 
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I have been unable to access Lee's site for the past few days. It appears to be a dynamic DNS reroute, so it's likely hosted on his home machine which may be offline. Are there any mirrors?


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Justin wrote:
I have been unable to access Lee's site for the past few days. It appears to be a dynamic DNS reroute, so it's likely hosted on his home machine which may be offline. Are there any mirrors?

The site seems to have vanished. I'm not aware of any mirrors.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:15 pm 
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Have a look at:
http://web.archive.org/web/201209130428 ... index.html
http://www.applefritter.com/node/6970
https://github.com/jefftranter/6502/tre ... sm/ehbasic

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:13 pm 
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Hello,

I hope, everything is going well with Lee.

I still have his original 68k EhBASIC V3.52 source code and put it in my download section.

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It's now really dead.

The most links are broken.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:34 am 
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Unfortunately, Lee Davison (EhBASIC's author) died in 2013. See viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3024 .

Jeff Tranter's github pages of EhBASIC are still there, and https://github.com/jefftranter/6502/tre ... sm/ehbasic .

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