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 Post subject: EhBASIC for DOS/65
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:23 pm 
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I found a port of EhBASIC to DOS/65 here. It seems to work reasonably well except SAVE and LOAD functions are not working. Has anyone ported EhBASIC for DOS/65?
Bill


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 Post subject: Re: EhBASIC for DOS/65
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:11 pm 
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Well, I haven't ported my CMOS version of EhBasic to DOS/65 as of yet. However, this version might be a bit easier to move over. All of the Page zero space starts at location 0 and is contiguous. It's also quite a bit less page zero usage, has all of Klaus' patches to p5 and is just under 10KB in size.

I did implement LOAD and SAVE within EhBasic, but the supporting routines simply calculate the size of the program and setup the appropriate parameters and pointers, then calls Xmodem routines in my Monitor to LOAD and SAVE. I think it should be fairly easy to modify the LOAD and SAVE routines to setup a filename and make the DOS/65 PEM calls to complete it.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:22 pm 
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On the subject of Basic's for DOS/65, I was running across some sample programs that I have and found this one from an Arduino forum on simulating 6502 for ESP32. I list it below and ran it on BASICE(compiled), Basic(MSversion) and dbasic(Ehbasic) in Bill's DOS/65 version for the CRC65.
Interesting is the lack of accuracy but especially in the versions that are not MS. I'm no expert in numerical analysis and will have to read a bunch of old literature regarding floating point calculations on the 6502 but there is room for investigation here.
Here's the program
5 REM PITO'S TRIGONOMETRIC FUNCTIONS TEST 0..89 DEGREE
6 REM FOR C64 V2 BASIC ROMS
7 REM BASED ON WELLKNOWN "9 DEGREE" CALC FORENSIC TEST
8 REM ASIN(ACOS(ATAN(TAN(COS(SIN(9.0)))))) = 9.0 IN DEGREE
10 PH = 3.1415926536/2.0
15 REM DEFINE ARCSIN AND ARCCOS
20 DEF FN ASN(X) = ATN(X/SQR(1.0-X*X))
30 DEF FN ACS(X) = PH-ATN(X/SQR(1.0-X*X))
35 REM TR, TD - TO RAD, TO DEG
40 TR = 3.1415926536 / 180.0
50 TD = 180.0 / 3.1415926536
55 REM INPUT IN DEGREE (0..89)
60 FOR D = 0 TO 89
70 T = SIN(TR*D)
72 T = COS(TR*T)
74 T = TAN(TR*T)
76 T = TD*ATN(T)
80 T = TD*FN ACS(T)
90 T = TD*FN ASN(T)
100 PRINT D; "="; T; " DELTA="; T-D
110 NEXT D
120 END
I'll zip up the results for each into one zip file. It's interesting to note the errors and the divide by zero error unique to dbasic.
Let the fun begin!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:24 am 
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Trig. accuracy tests are often made worse with a degree to radian (and back) calculation too, so it's always good to know what the internal representation is and work with that if you want an extra digit or 2 accuracy. the calculations above introduce 6 extra conversions.

My old Imperial 99T calculator gives an error of 1.44 in the test above with 9 degrees (0.15708 rad), but converting 9° to radians (once), doing the sin(cos(tan... and back again then back to degrees gives a difference of ... zero.

So it might be interesting to do the conversion once, then do the sin(cos( ... and back again then convert back to degrees.

Then there's the difference between accuracy and precision, but that's another can of worms ;-)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:10 am 
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(I notice we've rather gone off the original topic...)

Just for interest really: the result of the forensic, and the sensitivity of the test, comes from the taking of a cosine of a rather small number, and then later the arccos of the corresponding number rather close to 1. A number rather close to 1, with several leading 9s, offers, in effect, fewer digits to work with. In this case 7 leading 9s.

Here's the page I go to for calculator forensics - it links to a large table of results for different calculators.
http://www.rskey.org/~mwsebastian/miscprj/forensics.htm


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 Post subject: Re: EhBASIC for DOS/65
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:32 pm 
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Hi BigEd Thanks for pointing out the reference to the Calculator precision page. As a dedicated HP calc user, I can appreciate the comparisons listed. It appears that the accuracy differences between the MS basic version and the other two is likely due to it being a 9 digit version compared to the 6 digit version used in EhBasic and BasicE. Hidden in the details of the comparisons is the fact that EhBasic in plasmo's DOS/65 does in fact have LOAD and SAVE implemented but the syntax is different from the MSbasic version. I pointed this out in viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6440&start=120 but it might have been overlooked because it was posted in a topic unrelated to this one.


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