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 Post subject: 8520 dissection
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:56 am 
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Previous thread: MOS 6522 dissection //NMOS
Side track: NES PPU\APU dissection

First: thanks to all those who make these chip dissections possible.

This thread is about a transistor level dissection of the MOS 8520 CIA (Complex Interface Adapter),
brought to you by Frank Wolf and ttlworks.

8520 features two 8 Bit parallel I\O ports (with handshake),
two 16 Bit timers (down counters),
a 24 Bit binary timer\counter with ALARM function,
plus an 8 Bit shift register for "serial communication".

8520 was used in the Commodore 1581 floppy disk drive, and there are two 8520 chips in every Amiga.

8520 builds on the 8521\6526 (which was used in the C64 and C128),
but in the 8520 a few things are different, see the list below.

8520 datashet at zimmers.net
Datasheet page 11, 1.5.13:
In the datasheet, CRA7 (TODIN) sets the TOD predivider for 50Hz/60Hz mains frequency.
In the silicon, there is no TOD predivider, CRA7 read is supposed to be 0, and writing CRA7 has no effect.

The Amiga Hardware Reference Manual confirms
that CRA7 read is supposed to be 0, and that writing CRA7 has no effect.

Note:
For consistence with Frank's notation, low_active signals are named foo#, not /foo.

Orientation for all the chip pictures: D2 pad is North.

;---

8520 and 8521\6526 internally are completely different from the 6522,
and to me it feels like the MOS designers simply had re_invented the wheel
after Bill Mensch (TM) had left MOS.

To make it short: the only thing the 8520 has in common with the 6522 is DIP40.

;===

Now for the difference between 8520 and 8521.

8520:
2) R/W# falling edge is delayed by an inverting super buffer plus three inverters.
4a) PA0..7 have push/pull outputs with a pullup to VCC.
4c) PB6 and PB7 have "open collector" outputs with a pullup to VCC.
5a) FLAG# pad has a pullup to VCC.
5b) TOD pad has a pullup to VCC.
5c) PC# output is "open collector" with pullup to VCC.
7a) CRA7 is cleared on reset, writing to CRA7 has no effect, CRA7 is unused.
8e) in one_shot mode, writing TA_HI sets CRA0 for starting timer A.
9e) in one_shot mode, writing TB_HI sets CRB0 for starting timer B.
10) interrupt source is delayed by one PHI2 cycle before it enters ICR0..4.
14) TOD (time of day) is a 24 Bit binary counter, counting rising edges on the TOD pad without a prescaler.

8521:
2) R/W# falling edge is delayed by four inverters. //slightly less delay than in the 8520.
4a) PA0..7 have "open collector" outputs with a pullup to VCC.
4c) PB6 and PB7 have push/pull outputs with a pullup to VCC.
5a) FLAG# pad has no pullup to VCC.
5b) TOD pad has no pullup to VCC.
5c) PC# is a push/pull output.
7a) CRA7 works and is used for switching the TOD predivider between 50Hz and 60Hz mode.
8e) only a CRA write can set CRA0.
9e) only a CRB write can set CRB0.
10) interrupt source is not delayed by one PHI2 cycle before it enters ICR0..4.
14) TOD (time of day) is a BCD counter, incremented by a div5/div6 prescaler which counts rising edges on the TOD pad.

//To make it short: to me, trying to replace a defective 8520 with an 8521 doesn't look like a good idea.


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Eagle 6.4 schematics for my schematic pictures in this thread,
just in case if somebody needs them.

Note: KiCad is supposed to be able to import these schematics,
unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible to disable the layers 'name' and 'value' in KiCad schematics,
so making my schematics look nice and clean in KiCad will require some work, sorry.

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A picture of the 8520R4 silicon, with the interesting areas marked.

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Just as a reference, another picture of the MOS 8520R4 silicon without the markings.

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8520R4 cheat sheet:

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1a) PHI clock generator

Nothing special here.

The external high_active PHI2_in clock signal goes into an inverting super buffer,
which gives out the low_active PHI2_in# clock signal.

PHI2_in# controls a RS flipflop.
The RS flipflop is built from two NOR gates,
the output of every NOR gate is boosted with a non_inverting super buffer,
the super buffers emit the chip internal non_overlapping high_active clock signals PHI1 and PHI2.

Also, PHI2_in# goes into the "2) CS#, R/W#" circuity for generating
the low_active read/write control signals RD# and WE#.

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1b) bias generator

Basically we have a ring oscillator, buit from three inverters.
In the signal path of the oscillator, R1\C1 and R2\C2 set the frequency.

The oscillator output goes through a driver, then through a big capacitor,
at the other end of the big capacitor we have a FET working as a rectifier diode
for generating the negative bias voltage.

The big capacitor is hidden below the BIAS pad.

There is another FET at the East of the BIAS pad,
marked with "?" in the silicon picture.
I don't know how to interpret that FET,
but I assume it was added for smoothening the switching transients.

Also note, that there is a guard tied to VCC at three sides of the BIAS pad,
for shielding the rest of the chip against the hot end of the bias generator.

In the 8521 layout, the layout of the bias generator looks completely different,
I assume that MOS did a lot of tinkering with these bias generators
until them bias generators had worked as intended...

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2) CS#, R/W# circuitry

It generates the low_active read/write control signals RD# and WE#,
which go into "6) address decoder".

Conceptually, the game is similar to what we had in the 6702 SuperPET dongle chip.

The RD# and WE# signals also go into "3c) D0..D7"
for controlling the buffers/drivers sitting between the external and the internal data bus.

Note, that RD# and WE# also go into "14b) TOD control".

;...

The low_active RD# read control signal comes out of an inverting super buffer,
which is fed by the push/pull output of a three input NOR gate.

At the inputs of the (three input) NOR gate, we have:
PHI2_in# (which is LOW when PHI2_in is HIGH), generated in "1a) PHI clock generator",
The low_active signal from the CS# pad (which indicates that the chip is selected),
The inverted signal from the R/W# pad.

To make it short:
RD# goes active when the chip is selected with CS# = LOW,
and when R/W# = HIGH indicates a read,
and when the system clock PHI2_in = HIGH.

;...

The low_active WE# write control signal comes out of another inverting super buffer,
which is fed by the push/pull output of a four input NOR gate.

At the inputs at the (four input) NOR gate, we have:
PHI2_in# (which is LOW when PHI2_in is HIGH), generated in "1a) PHI clock generator",
The low_active signal from the CS# pad, which indicates that the chip is selected,
The R/W# signal from the R/W# pad,
the R/W# signal from the R/W# pad delayed by an inverting super buffer plus three inverters.

To make it short:
WE# goes active when the chip is selected with CS# = LOW,
and when R/W# = LOW indicates a write,
and when R/W# was LOW for some time (where "time" is defined by the propagation delays of an inverting super buffer plus three inverters)
and when the system clock PHI2_in = HIGH.

Means the falling edge of R/W# is delayed.
In the C64, the VIC-II uses the bus during PHI2 = LOW, and the CPU uses the bus during PHI2 = HIGH.
Because of this, it takes some time after the rising edge of PHI2 until the R/W# signal generated by the CPU is valid.
I think that's why the designers had added a delay to the 8520 responding to R/W# = LOW writes.

;...

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3a) RES#

The low_active signal from the RES# pad goes through an inverting super buffer,
then through a non_inverting super buffer, which emits the high_active RES signal.

RES resets the circuitry on the chip.

Note, that RES# is not synchronized with any clock signal when it becomes RES.

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;---

3b) RS3

RS0..3 pads connect to the external address bus.

Layout for the RS0..3 input buffers is pretty similar, so we just focus on the RS3 circuitry.

Basically, the high_active signal from the RS3 pad goes through an inverting super buffer,
then through two inverters, which control two drivers.

One driver emits the high_active A3 signal,
the other driver emits the low_active A3# signal.

Same thing for RS0..2 becoming A0..A2 and A0#..A2#.

A0..A3 and A0#..A3# go into "6) address decoder" for selecting the register to be read/written.

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3c) D0

Layout of the D0..D7 buffers/drivers is pretty identical, so we just focus on D0.

The D0 pad connects to the external data bus.
D0io is the internal databus inside the chip.

To make it simple:
"read" means that the internal D0io..D7io signals are placed on the D0..D7 pads.
"write" means that the signals from the D0..D7 pads are placed on the internal D0io..D7io bus.

;...

At the "write" side, the signal from the D0 pad goes through an inverting super buffer,
is sampled at PHI2 by a transparent latch, and then goes through two more inverters,
and from the inverters into two NOR gates controlling a driver which places the signal on the D0io bus.

The low_active WE# write enable signal which is generated in "2) CS#, R/W# circuitry"
is delayed before it goes into the two NOR gates controlling the driver.

If the low_active write enable signal WE# is LOW, the driver is enabled.

;...

At the "read" side, the signal from the internal D0io bus goes through a non_inverting super buffer,
then through an inverting super buffer and an inverter, controlling two NAND gates
which set/reset a RS flipflop built from two NOR gates which have push/pull outputs.

The outputs of the RS flipflop are controlling the driver FETs which are switching the D0 pad to GND or VCC.
Means that said driver FETs do non_overlapping switching.

Now for the trick:
The low_active RD# read enable signal which is generated in "2) CS#, R/W# circuitry"
goes through an inverter, then into both NAND gates.

So when RD# is HIGH, the outputs of both NANDs are HIGH, forcing both outputs of the RS flipflop to LOW,
what disables the driver FETs which are switching the D0 pad to GND or VCC.

Conceptualy, the game is similar to what we had in the 8726 dissection.

;...

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3d) IRQ#

The low_active IRQout# signal is generated in "10) ICR".

It goes into an inverting super buffer, which drives a FET that switches the IRQ# pad to GND.

Means that when IRQout# is active, the IRQ# pad is switched LOW.

The other end of the IRQ# pad is supposed to be connected to a pullup resistor (to VCC),
and to the IRQ# interrupt input pin of a 65xx CPU.

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4a) PA0

Now for the parallel I\O ports, starting with PORT A.

PORT A has a push/pull outputs with pullup resistors (FETs).

Note, that when a PORT A pin is configured as an output,
what you are getting when reading the PRA data register is
what's on the PA0..PA7 pads.
So you better be a bit paranoid/careful when using read/modify/write instructions
on the PRA register, like when driving a large capacitive load and/or
when trying to go for faster speed.


Layout for PA0..PA7 is pretty similar, so we just focus on PA0.

Registers and logic related to PA0 are attached to "the other end" of the PA0 pad driver.

PORT A register read/write control signals are generated in "6) address decoder".

;...

At the input side, the signal from the PA0 pad goes through an inverting super buffer,
then through an inverter, is sampled at PHI1 by a dynamic latch, then goes through
another inverter and into an "open collector" NAND gate with its output tied to the D0io bus.

The other input of the NAND is the high active R_PRA register control signal.
R_PRA enables the PRA data register read.

To make it short:
PA0 is sampled by a transparent latch at PHI1.
When the CPU reads the PORTA data register PRA with R_PRA,
if the output of the latch is LOW the D0io bus is pulled LOW.

For pullups on the D0io bus, see "13) internal data bus precharge".

;...

At the output side, first we have the PORTA data direction register Bit DDRA0.

The half_static DDRA0 register Bit is written with the high_active W_DDRA signal at PHI2,
it is refreshed during PHI1, and when RES is active it is cleared at PHI1.

For reading DDRA0 from the CPU:
Basically, the inverted output of the DDRA0 register goes into an
"open collector" NAND gate with its output tied to the D0io bus.

The other input of the NAND is the high active R_DDRA register control signal.
R_DDRA enables the DDRA read at PHI2.

To prevent glitches (during PHI2 register write), the output of the DDRA0 register Bit
is sampled by a transparent latch at PHI1 before it goes into two NAND gates.
The output of each NAND gate goes through an inverter.
The outputs of the inverters are controlling the driver FETs which are switching PA0 to GND or VCC.
When DDRA0 is 0, PA0 acts as an input because said driver FETs are disabled.
When DDRA0 is 1, PA0 acts as an output, and the driver FETs are switching PA0 either to GND or to VCC.


Also, we have the PRA0 data output register Bit.
The half_static PRA0 register Bit is written with the high_active W_PRA signal at PHI2,
it is refreshed during PHI1, and when RES is active it is cleared at PHI1.

The output of the PRA0 data output register Bit is sampled by a transparent latch at PHI1
to prevent glitches (during PHI2 register writes), then goes through two inverters
which control the two NAND gates, for making the output driver FETs switching PA0
either to GND when data output register Bit PRA0 = 0,
or to VCC when data output register Bit PRA0 = 1.

;...

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4b) PB0

PORT B has "open collector" outputs with pullup resistors (FETs).

Note that when a PORT B pin is configured as an output,
what you are getting when reading the PRB data register is
what's on the PB0..PB7 pads.
So you better be a bit paranoid/careful when using read/modify/write instructions
on the PRB register, like when driving a large capacitive load,
when an external source might be able to switch PB0..7 to GND,
or when trying to go for faster speed.


Layout for PB0..PB5 is pretty similar, so we just focus on PB0.

Registers and logic related to PB0 are attached "to the other end" of the PB0 pad driver.

PORT B Register read/write control signals are generated in "6) address decoder".

;...

The layout for PB0 is just a variation of the layout for PA0
(so I'm not going to explain almost the same circuitry again here),
except that the designers had converted the driver FET switching the pad to VCC
into a second driver FET switching the PA0 pad to GND.

So that the PB0 pad can only be switched to GND,
but when switching to GND, the PB0 pad driver has half of the impedance of the PA0 pad driver.

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4c) PB7

PB7 (and PB6) circuitry builds on the PB0..PB5 circuitry.

The difference is, that if the CRB1 Bit in control register B is set,
PB7 is forced to work as an output (ignoring DDRB7) and is assigned to timer B,
emitting either a pulse or a toggle signal at timer B underflow.

For PB6, it's the CRA1 Bit in control register A, and timer A.

;---

Now for what's different in PB7 when comparing it with PB0:

A multiplexer controlled by CRB1 switches either the output of the
PRB7 data output register to the PB7 output driver circuitry,
or the high_active signal TB_Q which is generated in "9e) timer B control logic".
//For PB6, TA_Q is generated in "8e) timer A control logic".

To prevent glitches (during PHI2 register writes), the inverted output of the
DDRB7 data direction register Bit is sampled by a transparent latch at PHI1,
and goes into a NAND gate together with the CRB1 signal.
If the output of the NAND gate is LOW, the PB7 output driver is disabled.

In other words: if DDRB7 = 1, or CRB1 = 1, the PB7 pad output driver is enabled.

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5a) FLAG# pad

A falling edge at the FLAG# pad sets the FLAG Bit in the ICR. //Interrupt control register.
FLAG# is a handshake input related to the parallel I\O ports.

Note, that there is a pullup resistor (FET) on the chip which ties the FLAG# pad to VCC.

;...

The signal from the FLAG# pad goes through an inverting Schmitt trigger,
then through an inverter, an inverting super buffer, and another inverter, into a falling edge detector.

At the output of the falling edge detector, we have a NOR gate.
One input of the NOR gate directly is fed with the edge detector input signal,
the other input of the NOR is fed with the delayed/inverted edge detector input signal.
So when a falling edge is detected, the NOR gate emits a HIGH pulse
(the width of the pulse is set by the delay).

The inversion/delay is done by four "open collector" inverters which have a pullup
to VCC and a capacitor to GND at their outputs, plus a normal inverter.


We have the first RS flipflop which indicates that there was a falling edge on the FLAG# pad,
it is set by the output of the detector NOR,
and cleared by the FLAG_INT signal (which sets the FLAG Bit in the ICR).

The output of the first flipflop goes into a multifunction gate,
which basically is a second RS flipflop gated with PHI2.
The (inverted) output of the second RS flipflop is sampled at PH1 by a dynamic latch,
goes through an inverter, and becomes the FLAG_INT signal,
which now nicely is synchronized with the system clock.

Signal FLAG_INT goes into "10) ICR".

//Funny thing is: when I had tried building a TTL implementation of the 6522, I independently came up with the same concept.

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5b) TOD pad

A rising edge at the TOD pad enables one counting step for the TOD counter.

Also, close to the TOD pad we have a ring counter which generates the PHI20 clock
for the TOD pad edge detector and synchronizer, and for the TOD counter.

I had labeled that clock signal "PHI20", because it is HIGH at PHI2 in every fourth PHI2 clock cycle.

Means that the TOD counter is clocked with PHI2/4, and enabled with a rising edge at the TOD pad.

Note, that there is a pullup resistor (FET) on the chip which ties the TOD pad to VCC.

;...

The TOD edge detector and synchronizer circuitry builds on the FLAG# edge detector and synchronizer circuitry,
but there are some differences:

There is one less inverter between the TOD pad and the edge detector,
so we have a falling edge detector scanning the inverted signal from the TOD pad.
//And that's like having a rising edge detector scanning the non_inverted signal from the TOD pad.

The multifunction gate containing the second RS flipflop is gated with PHI20 (instead of PHI2),
for sampling the state of the first RS flipflop,
to synchronize the output signal with the TOD counter clock PHI20.

A transparent latch samples the (inverted) output of the second RS flipflop at PHI2,
sends it into a NOR gate together with the RES signal.
The high_active TOD_DET output of the NOR gate resets the first RS flipflop,
aknowledging that the rising edge at the TOD pad was recognized.

Means that if there was a rising edge at the TOD pad while RES is active,
TOD_DET goes active after RES goes inactive.

TOD_DET is sampled by a PHI20 controlled latch, then by a PHI1 controlled latch
(that's one PHI20 cycle delay), and becomes the TOD_DET1 signal which goes into
"14b) TOD control".
There is some odd (but dead) circuitry attached to the PHI20 controlled latch,
circuitry looks like remnants from a previous revision of the chip,
so we just ignore it.

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5c) PC# pad

PC# is an "open collector" handshake output, which generates a LOW pulse with a two PHI2 cycles delay
after a PORT B data register read or write.

Note, that there is _no_ pullup resistor (FET) on the chip which could tie the PC# pad to VCC,
since PC# is an "open collector" output, so there is supposed to be a pullup resistor to VCC outside the chip.

;...

R_PRA (PRA read enable signal) and W_PRA (PRB write enable signal) go into a NOR gate,
which feeds the inputs of a shift register which is built from transparent latches (controlled by PHI1 and PHI2)
and inverters.

A NOR gate attached to said shift register controlls the driver which switches the PC# pad to GND.

Basically, PC# logic works like an edge detector for 'R_PRA OR W_PRA'.

My guess is that the designers wanted to limit the length of the PC# pulse,
like when it comes to read/modify/write cycles on PRA or PRB,
or when the PRA\PRB read/write is stretched for multiple PHI2 cycles while the CPU is hold by RDY.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:23 am 
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5d) SP pad

SP pad is the data input/putput pad for the serial port (shift register).

CRA6 control register A Bit configurates the serial port to either work
as an input (CRA6 = 0) or as an output (CRA6 = 1).

In output mode, SP has an "open collector output".

Note, that there is a pullup resistor (FET) on the chip which ties the SP pad to VCC.

;...

At the input side,
the high_active signal from the SP pad goes through an inverting super buffer,
then through an inverter, then together with CRA6 into a NOR gate,
which emits the low_active serial data input signal SP_RXD#.

In output mode, when CRA6 is HIGH, SP_RXD# is forced to LOW (active).

SP_RXD goes into "11a) shift register plus latch".

;...

At the output side,
the low_active serial data output signal SP_TXD# goes together with CRA6 into a NAND gate.
The output signal of the NAND gate goes into an inverting super buffer,
which controlls the driver FETs switching the SP pad to GND.

When CRA6 is HIGH (serial port in output mode), and SP_TXD# is HIGH (inactive),
the SP pad is switched to GND.

SP_TXD# is generated in "11b) serial port control".

Note, that there is some dead circuitry (maybe from a previous chip revision),
to me it looks like the designer who did the SP pad buffer/driver was not sure
whether he would be getting a high_active or a low_active serial data output signal
from the shift register... and he wanted to be on the safe side.
So we just ignore that part.

;...

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