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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:24 pm 
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! ...I didn't notice that, thanks a lot. I did some measurements on my 3 Qantek samples, and found the same 46%/54% duty cycle, the high level being the shortest one. The MX045HS-2C CTS oscillators I'm waiting for should be better (45 to 55% claimed symmetry).


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:27 pm 
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So that asymmetry is costing about 10%, which means a 1.8MHz clock might be acting a bit like a 2MHz clock half the time. Doesn't sound too big a step to me - depends of course on how much margin there is in your design.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:54 pm 
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Well, I didn't really make any measurements but my first tests showed that this board successfully ran up to 2.5 MHz and began failing at 2.6 MHz. At that time, I used a not-so-good signal generator. Since then I bought an SDG1010 arbitrary waveform generator. It should be an opportunity to use it now, since I'll get a 50% duty cycle without any trouble. I'll do that on Wednesday (waiting for a long multiprecision computation to finish).

BTW : The parts are rated at 2 MHz (ACIA, CPU) and 4 (VIA), with the RAM and EPROM being 120-nS ones. I don't think that my rudimentary address decoding scheme is critical : 2 29-nS(max)/12-nS(typ) gate delays on the I/O select signal, 1 for ROM and RAM selects.


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Wednesday news - quite satisfied ! here's why :

I set up the waveform generator to a 46/54% duty cycle clock (in order to harden the tests) and feeded my 65C02 with it. I inserted enough delays in my display routines to allow the HD44780 to catch on. Then, running a multiprecision computing routine with a cyclic status display, I began to increase the clock rate. Everything worked well up to 4 MHz ! (the CPU is only rated to 2) I went on increasing the frequency, at 5 MHz the program still ran but the 4-MHz VIA began showing an erratic behaviour making keyboard entry difficult. All that done with 250-nS EPROMS. The RAM tests I did after were all "pass". Not that bad...

I didn't think I had such margins, but I pulled from the basement the previous generator I used 2 years ago : unstable both from the frequency and phase point of view, so back to the basement and forget it)

I'm still waiting for the 2 MHz oscillators, but by now I wish I had a 4 MHz CPU and ACIA :) the next step, surely !


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:30 pm 
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calculi wrote:
...but by now I wish I had a 4 MHz CPU and ACIA :) the next step, surely !

Use of genuine WDC parts will fulfill that wish, as they are officially rated to 14 MHz. :)

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BigEd wrote:
So that asymmetry is costing about 10%, which means a 1.8MHz clock might be acting a bit like a 2MHz clock half the time. Doesn't sound too big a step to me - depends of course on how much margin there is in your design.

Right. I don't think the asymmetric clock is a significant performance factor in caculi's system, as he's not running it fast enough for timing to become critical. I just happened to notice it while perusing the data sheet.

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Your thoughts are totally consistent with my tests ;-) not surprising since you've got much much more experience than me.

By the way, concerning WDC parts : it's precisely what I had in mind. As soon as I receive from Mouser the oscillators I ordered, I'll place a new order !

One more time thank you :)


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