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 Post subject: 8500 CMOS or HMOS?
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:24 am 
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Wikipedia says HMOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_6510)

Others says CMOS (http://old.htu.tugraz.at/~herwig/6502/varianten.php)

Is the 8500 a static core? I havent found a datasheet to get minimum frequency.

I want to use a hardware verification tool, thats only possible with static cores like the 65C02.


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 Post subject: Re: 8500 CMOS or HMOS?
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:10 am 
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Looks like HMOS was merely a marketing name for an evolution of the NMOS process:
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The 7501 and its bigger brother, the 8501, were really just refined 6510s manufactured with Commodore's new HMOS (High-Speed NMOS, essentially NMOS using a new smaller process geometry) process. The 7501 was made using HMOS-1; the 8501 was made with HMOS-2 (a logical step to indicate the 6500s were made with the original NMOS process). Extra pins were added to the on-chip I/O port to accomodate the 264 series' more complex memory banking.


That's not directly addressing the question of whether it has no minimum clock speed: that's a feature of the circuit design, not the process. My suspicion is that it won't be a static design: there was no incentive for Commodore to make something like that, and they were famously cost-conscious.

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Even the 65CE02, which I think never sold in volume, was CMOS but still with a minimum clock speed.

and that's completely wrong! It has a minimum clock period, and therefore a max clock speed, but it does not have a minimum clock speed. As is normal for a CMOS design, it's a static design. This weakens my argument: the question is why did Commodore make this? Given they didn't sell it in volume, perhaps they didn't know either...

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http://archive.6502.org/datasheets/mos_65ce02_mpu.pdf
http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/x64.html


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