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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:41 pm 
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hi all
i am looking for a very tiny board with 6502 CPU, ram, rom , rs232 and a portiIO.
Anything i could buy anyplace or any Eagle project i could re-use ?

let me know =)


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:48 pm 
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Did you check out Daryl's SBC-2?
http://sbc.rictor.org/info2.html

I think he even might sell you one, but for that you must contact him.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:46 pm 
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Also, have a look at Grant Searle's MicroUK101: http://searle.hostei.com/grant/uk101/uk101.html and also check out Briel Computers for a couple of commercial kits ($110 and $150 I think.)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:22 pm 
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never seen Daryl's SBC-2, it's very pretty =D


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:55 pm 
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Dajgoro wrote:
Did you check out Daryl's SBC-2?
http://sbc.rictor.org/info2.html

I think he even might sell you one, but for that you must contact him.


I don't have any more SBC-2 boards on hand. If there is enough interest, I could do another board order. We would need a minumum of 10 boards to make it worth the cost. Keep in mind this would just be a PCB.

Daryl


EDIT: 10 boards will result in a per-board cost of $25.10

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:00 pm 
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BigEd wrote:
Also, have a look at Grant Searle's MicroUK101: http://searle.hostei.com/grant/uk101/uk101.html and also check out Briel Computers for a couple of commercial kits ($110 and $150 I think.)

Yea, I was going to suggest the Micro-KIM, but it's not a "tiny board", so...


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:30 pm 
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legacy wrote:
hi all
i am looking for a very tiny board with 6502 CPU, ram, rom , rs232 and a portiIO.
Anything i could buy anyplace or any Eagle project i could re-use ?

let me know =)

I've got parts and PCBs available to build a POC V1.1 unit for you. Or if you wish, I can furnish the unit as a "kit" (pile of parts) so you can assemble it yourself (some SMT components are used).

BTW, what did you mean by "portiIO?"

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:45 pm 
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i don't know the POC project, i am reading now the topic
it seems nice, as you have indicated in your topic i will contact you by PM.

portIO, is just a latched bidirectional In/Out port, and 8bit are OK.
i mean i do not need nothing complex as a Programmable Peripheral Interface
for example the intel 8255, originally developed for 8085 SBC:
a memory mapped latch, with 8bit @ 1mA source/sync current each, is enough for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:12 pm 
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legacy, going with an I/O IC like the 6522, although it has a lot more in it, actually makes construction easier:
  • you only have to wire the data bus, power, ground, and select pins once for two 8-bit ports plus auxiliary I/O like for handshaking or synchronous serial port
  • having CS, CS\, and phase-2 inputs makes your glue logic much simpler

Then you get additional things you will want later, like the timer/counters, synchronous-serial port, and several interrupt sources. On my first home-made computer, I used 8-bit latches for output and 8-bit buffers for input, and it turned out to be far more work, take far more space, and not be very useful, compared to later ones.

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It's a good lesson, that simplest isn't quite the same as minimal.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:18 pm 
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Perfect :P


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Apatco has two versions of their computer. If you are starting from scratch and don't know a lot, it might be one of the ways to go because they have manuals.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:04 pm 
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i have realized this extremely easy board around 80C32 using the intel basic
- cpu 80C32@11Mhz
- 32Kbyte static ram
- 32Kbyte eprom, 8Kbyte of intel basic'51, the rest is 0xff
- 2 latch, 8 bit IN, 8 bit Out, with 5mA of sync/source
- onboard TTL to RS232 adapter and reset

i have designed and realized it with toner transfer: it is a very rude and crude home made tiny SBC

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any URL to Apatco's tiny computer ?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:10 pm 
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Brace yourself: it's $190
PCB based, 65816: http://www.apatco.com/shop/index.php?productID=674
breadboard based, 6502: http://www.apatco.com/shop/index.php?productID=667
(product detail at http://www.apatco.com/products2.php and http://www.apatco.com/products.php)
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BigEd wrote:

Also, you won't learn as much about the hardware with the 80C32 unit. Your best bet for learning about the nuts and bolts of computer hardware is to work with a 65C02 or 65C816 unit and discrete logic. If you hand-assemble it from components, so much the better.

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