In my post, the second one in this topic, I wrote:

That was over 10 years ago and I forgot all about it. (I also see now it was Jack Crenshaw, not Jack Ganssle. I got the mixed up because I kept seeing both of them in Embedded Systems Programming magazine.) Now it's available for free download, and I just downloaded it from <Edit: link removed due to it possibly being illegal. See following posts.> . It's almost 500 pages and does not look super complicated.

Thanks. Difficulty on my part, I cant get any form of bit torrents out here. Can someone download and throw it to me in email? Thanks!

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It's a .pdf of about 4MB. I just emailed it. I'm sure I've sent other emails that big and a lot more without any problem, but let me know by email or PM if it didn't work.

Got it! thanks! I will post it in a folder tonight for others who cannot get bit torrents going.

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Tut tut.

Why are pirates called pirates?
They just arrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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Yes and no: this copy would not be a legitimate copy, I think. I'm surprised we're OK with posting links to torrents like that.


Indeed!

(This isn't quite like the case of 30-year old ROMs from defunct companies, in my view - a moral rather than legal view.)

The book is £20 or $18 used - it may well be worth paying for.

Cheers
Ed

If the author has made the book available now for free, I have no qualms about a repost there. Figured others might be in the same boat of not being able to use torrents to get the book.

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I'd agree, but I don't get the impression that the author has made the book available for free...

(Edit: reworded)

I went to that location and it wanted me to sign up for something before I could download anything. I decided to pass...I don't randomly sign up for things. Great way to increase one's spam intake.

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I intended to buy a paper copy, but this is what I found. It's not scanned, but is apparently from the original files sent to the printer, so I didn't have any reason to suspect anything other than that it was released for this kind of distribution. I just searched again, and it looks like the reason I didn't find the paper one the first time is because I had a space in "toolkit" instead of making it all one word. It seems that if there were anything illegal about the online one, it would not be an original .pdf but a scan, and the bit-torrent thing would have been shut down. I was thinking of having it printed at a local office-supply place, but I might as well just buy the book and then I'll have a normal binding too.

Could I trouble you to forward the PDF to me via E-mail?

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It sounds very suspicious to me, no matter what form the pdf is. Does it contain a copyright notice? Is there anything in the file or on the web where the publisher or the author tells you that the book has been released like that?

If it had been released, I would expect it to be available in a more conventional form than a torrent.

That the torrent hasn't been taken down doesn't say much.

Sorry, I remain skeptical. Bitwise was more concise about it!

Cheers
Ed

A proportion of the book can be read online on Google Books.

Cheers
Ed

I'm a bit skeptical too. I downloaded it and took a look. It does indeed look like it's from a native electronic format, not scanned. However there's nothing in the copyright section that's changed from the paper version, i.e. it's all copyrighted.

And it's still sold in paper format (new, not used) from Amazon. '4 new' just now. They also sell a Kindle version, so I was wondering if this PDF is somehow transformed from the Kindle version by somebody.

If I find that I can use this book then I'll buy a paper copy from Amazon, if I can't find it in the nearest University bookshop. Amazon will let you take a good look at the content btw.

-Tor

After a little more looking around, it looks like what might have happened is that someone with an ACM Digital Library (or similar) subscription might have downloaded it, which they were free to do, but then posted it for others to download, and I suppose the bit-torrent thing makes it hard to trace where it came from so they stay out of trouble. Although the website is kat.ph (Philipines?), it's hosted in Canada. I checked because I wondered if it was some third-world country where it would be easy to get away with distributing things illegally.

If anyone finds other info, let us know. Meanwhile, I guess I better edit my first post above.


I looked, and the copyright page does have:

and I compared it to the copyright page in the programming manual WDC has online and found it has no such notice.

This is getting stranger by the minute. The copyright page also has:

So I called them up to ask, and after I gave the woman the title and ISBN, she says, "That's not our book."


I don't either, and I did not give them any email address or other info, but it seemed like they just wanted me to be able to help distribute it, since that would reduce their upload bandwidth requirements.