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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:23 am 
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I’m working on a project where I need to step down 24V to a stable 5V with a load current of up to 1A. I’ve decided to use a buck converter based on the LM2675 IC. Here is my schematic made in DipTrace:
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Input: 24V (DC)
Output: 5V / 1A
Controller: LM2675
Switching Frequency: 260 kHz
I’m planning to use two capacitors:
Input Capacitor (C1): To smooth the input voltage and suppress noise.
Output Capacitor (C2): To smooth the output voltage and minimize ripple.
I have the following questions and concerns:
Type and value of the input capacitor: I’m considering using a 100 µF electrolytic capacitor with low ESR, but I’ve heard that ceramic or polymer capacitors might be better for high-frequency applications. Which type would be optimal for input noise suppression?
Type and value of the output capacitor: Given the need to minimize output ripple, should I use multiple low ESR ceramic capacitors or a single large electrolytic capacitor? Or perhaps a combination of both?
Impact of switching frequency on capacitor selection: How does the 260 kHz switching frequency affect capacitor choice? Should this be a factor when determining capacitance?
Temperature stability: The system will operate at elevated temperatures (up to 70°C). Which type of capacitor is best suited for these conditions?
I’d appreciate any advice or suggestions! I’m especially interested in hearing from anyone who has experience with similar circuits.
By the way, how do you like DipTrace 5? Has anyone tried working on it yet?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:50 am 
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Batiskaff wrote:
I’d appreciate any advice or suggestions!


Possibly not the reply you want but since you asked for advice, then my advice is to buy them off ebay for under a fiver each. Actually the first hit I got was 6 units for £6.95 and these are adjustable.

Another device seriously worth considering is a USB-C Power Delivery Decoy Trigger dongle although in this instance I guess you have an existing 24v supply you wish to use but as USB-C is gaining more use and can handle more current than older USB standards then with a good USB-C PSU you can trivially generate a variety of voltages.

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I second Gordon’s advice.  Unless the object of this exercise is to get the satisfaction of a roll-your-own power source, better to use something that has already been designed, debugged and properly packaged.

As for DipTrace, I personally do not like programs that insist on use of color in schematics.  I often find them difficult to read, due to certain color combinations being invisible to me.  In that respect, Kicad is probably the worst of the bunch.  Any schematics I publish here are black on white, which is readable even by someone whose vision is monochromatic.

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For the bigger capacitors, I would always use OS-CON, which stands for "organic semiconductor," and is made by several manufacturers, ie, it's a type, not a brand name.  It's much better than low-ESR electrolytics, and even better than tantalums.  Connect your C1 and D1 with the absolute shortest practical connections to the IC.  I've done this kind of regulators several times for our aircraft stuff, and if we don't keep our nose clean in the layout, the resulting electrical noise gets into radios and into intercom audio.  I learned years ago how to get good behavior out of them.

The easier solution however is to use an integrated switching regulator like Pololu sells, which we also use in one of our products now.  See https://www.pololu.com/category/136/voltage-regulators .

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It's interesting that you mention OS-CON, they are indeed incredibly efficient, especially in sensitive environments like the ones you describe. Electrical noise, especially in aeronautical systems, can really become a nightmare if the layout isn't optimized. OS-CONs, with their low ESR, really make a difference, especially compared with tantalums which, although reliable, tend to show their limits in terms of long-term stability in these applications. Speaking of switching regulators, I also think that integrated solutions like Pololu's can really simplify design, while retaining high energy efficiency. I've used them for a few DIY projects, notably to stabilize power supplies on embedded microcontrollers. It's not just about assembling the best components, but also about understanding how to minimize interference and maximize stability in complex systems. This kind of approach is fundamental to achieving maximum performance with minimum compromise.


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Here, with a mass produced product that has both to cost the absolute minimum and not interfere with its own sensing systems... it's always a juggling act. I'll look into OS-CON - their series resistance is quoted impressively low...


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