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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:30 am 
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Unfortunately, WDC did not pick up the 65C32 RIOTs with it's product line so will be building up a test board soon to test alternatives for the 6532. Haven't yet looked at this indepth yet but considering the possibility of remapping the I/O within 65C22 registers, remapping the internal RAM and tossing the Timer into a CPLD. It's been a long time since I have looked into 6522s so this effort might not get past page 1 if the register map is too far out of whack.
Anybody else ever tackle a 6532 replacement?
I did place the whole thing into a Xilinx Spartan FPGA a few years back - worked ok but not really what I was looking for.

Trying to keep the pinball people happy.
Got tired of not having 6502 stuff so I finally became a distributor for WDC.
Now listed on WDC's authorized distributor page but for some reason they only list us as selling one part.
Slowly building up inventory --
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/WDC.asp

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ekrzycki wrote:
Got tired of not having 6502 stuff so I finally became a distributor for WDC. Now listed on WDC's authorized distributor page but for some reason they only list us as selling one part. Slowly building up inventory --
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/WDC.asp

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I don't see the 65C816 for sale on your site.

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> Anybody else ever tackle a 6532 replacement?
Not that I'm immediately aware of, but surely someone has. A bit of searching shows that Hans Otten has collected several links:
http://retro.hansotten.nl/6502-sbc/6530-6532/

Daryl tried fitting a design in a CPLD and thought it might be feasible:
viewtopic.php?p=7476#p7476

And I see there's a project here:
https://www.pinballinfo.com/community/t ... -ic.48661/

> Got tired of not having 6502 stuff so I finally became a distributor for WDC.
Well done Ed!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:28 pm 
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Added 65C816's to the list of parts to stock. So far - you are the first to ask for them.


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ekrzycki wrote:
Added 65C816's to the list of parts to stock. So far - you are the first to ask for them.

I see your 6502 (W65C02S6TPG-14) is still $6.50 in quantity 1-9, which is significantly lower than Mouser. What is your price for 65C816? I'm interested in quantity of 10. Thanks,
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Based on cost - I am guessing the 65C816 to be about $7.50 each 1-9 and 10% off above that.
I have no idea what Mouser is doing with their pricing. There has been no price increase in these parts in more than a year.


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ekrzycki wrote:
Based on cost - I am guessing the 65C816 to be about $7.50 each 1-9 and 10% off above that.
I have no idea what Mouser is doing with their pricing. There has been no price increase in these parts in more than a year.

I can't find ordering info on your website, so I've email in a request for quote for 10pcs W65C816. Thanks,
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I see your 6502 (W65C02S6TPG-14) is still $6.50 in quantity 1-9, which is significantly lower than Mouser. What is your price for 65C816? I'm interested in quantity of 10.

The last time I ordered some 65C816s from Mouser I received S6 parts (not S6T, which is current production), which implies that Mouser is shipping old stock. The S6, according to David Gray, was a relatively short-lived 816 version, as WDC switched from Sanyo's foundry to TSMC shortly after going from 0.8µ geometry to 0.6µ (which happened some 15 years ago, as I recall). I should note that POC V1.2, which I had running at 20 MHz, has an S6 MPU. I suspect the switch from Sanyo to TSMC was nothing more than a cost decision, and had nothing to do with getting better performance.

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As of last spring, WDC was still shipping parts with Sanyo dies for the PDIP parts and that they had not yet moved to TSMC for the PDIPs (W65C816S6PG-14). My latest list from them still shows this.

I assume but am not sure that the PLCC and QFP parts are TSMC with part numbers W65C816S6TPLG-14 and W65C816S6TQG-14, respectively.


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ekrzycki wrote:
As of last spring, WDC was still shipping parts with Sanyo dies for the PDIP parts and that they had not yet moved to TSMC for the PDIPs (W65C816S6PG-14). My latest list from them still shows this.

The switch to TSMC started 17 years ago, according to David Gray:


    SANYO to TSMC:
    WDC switched from Sanyo .8u to Sanyo .6u wafers for the W65C02S, W65C22S, and W65C816S devices starting in 2002. It is likely the majority of these new S6 devices were actually packaged in 2003 and beyond.

    Here is a timeline for switching to TSMC wafers:
    W65C22S6T - 2004 Note that W65C22S6P/PL/QG parts would have been packaged between 2002-2004 that had Sanyo .6u wafers.
    W65C51S6T - 2004
    W65C21S6T - 2005
    W65C02S6T - 2006 - Note that W65C02S6P/PL/QG parts would have been packaged between 2002-2006 that had Sanyo .6u wafers. Some S8 parts were also packaged in this timeframe of 2002-2006.
    W65C816S6T - 2006 - PLCC and QFP devices are in production. PDIP parts are still W65C816S6PG-14 devices using Sanyo .6u wafers (Most of these parts in the wild have a date code of 1023, 0627 laser marked or 0435 ink marked). We just sent out some TSMC wafers for PDIP packaging so there will be some W65C816S6TPG-14 devices with date codes starting with "20".
    W65C21N6T - 2009
    W65C22N6T - 2009
    W65C51N6T - 2009

    ASE Packaging:
    WDC used ASE as a packaging facility until the end of 2005. To my knowledge, all of those parts were ink marked. Anything from 2006 on was done at GTK and were laser marked. Laser marking is harder to counterfeit than ink marking.

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I assume but am not sure that the PLCC and QFP parts are TSMC with part numbers W65C816S6TPLG-14 and W65C816S6TQG-14, respectively.

See above. I've gotten Sanyo stuff in PLCC44 from Mouser—it's the luck of the draw. The 816 that I currently have in POC V1.2 is a TSMC part, but the MPU in POC V1.3 is a Sanyo part. V1.2 runs at 20 MHz with either one. V1.3 tops out at 16 MHz due to less-than-ideal glue logic.

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> W65C816S6T - 2006 - PLCC and QFP devices are in production. PDIP parts are still W65C816S6PG-14 devices using Sanyo .6u wafers (Most of these parts in the wild have a date code of 1023, 0627 laser marked or 0435 ink marked). We just sent out some TSMC wafers for PDIP packaging so there will be some W65C816S6TPG-14 devices with date codes starting with "20".

It's somewhat interesting how long the supply pipeline is here. Wafers are produced in lots of typically 25. For a small design and a large wafer, that's a lot(!) of chips. If WDC hold wafers and drip-feed them out to test and packaging, which will help their cashflow, and if there are then some stocks of the finished article in the supply chain, and if sales of specific parts are not terribly high volume, we can see it could be quite a long time before a switch of foundry fully flushes through the pipe.


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It's somewhat interesting how long the supply pipeline is here. Wafers are produced in lots of typically 25. For a small design and a large wafer, that's a lot(!) of chips. If WDC hold wafers and drip-feed them out to test and packaging, which will help their cashflow, and if there are then some stocks of the finished article in the supply chain, and if sales of specific parts are not terribly high volume, we can see it could be quite a long time before a switch of foundry fully flushes through the pipe.

It makes sense when one considers that the bulk of WDC's revenue comes from IP licensing. I don't suppose the sale of discrete parts produces all that much cash flow. They are likely sitting on a lot of yet-to-be-packaged wafers.

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