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by ytropek
Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:50 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: The idea of RISC-V based modern retro computer
Replies: 12
Views: 6366

Re: The idea of RISC-V based modern retro computer

If you do a RV32I core i would heavily recommend including at the very least the Compressed Instructions extension.
As it adds a few 16-bit versions of existing full sized 32-bit instructions, which helps with instruction throughput as you then only need to fetch half as many bytes.
The ...
by ytropek
Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:25 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: The idea of RISC-V based modern retro computer
Replies: 12
Views: 6366

The idea of RISC-V based modern retro computer

The idea
For quite some time I've been obsessed with something I'd call a "modern retro computer" (and I'm sure many of you are too). The "retro" in this name mostly refers to the low complexity of a system, meaning something that can be built and programmed from scratch by an individual – as in ...
by ytropek
Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:24 am
Forum: Hardware
Topic: Moving beyond 8MHz with standard ICs
Replies: 40
Views: 10782

Re: Moving beyond 8MHz with standard ICs

One thing we didn't discuss in this thread is voltage. According to the datasheet of W65C816 - going faster than 8MHz requires 5V, but I remember I read about some successful implementations of 14MHz SBCs running with 3.3V.
What's your experience on the field?
by ytropek
Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:07 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?
Replies: 52
Views: 18765

Re: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?

barrym95838 wrote:
ISBN 0-672-21805-4
The Z8000 was in there too. I still have the book buried somewhere in my attic.
Thank you, Barry. Luckily I found it on ebay - and it's already on the way to me :-)
by ytropek
Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:05 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?
Replies: 52
Views: 18765

Re: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?

Below my quick comments/questions related to few different posts from this thread. Btw - it looks like my poll definitely misses 6800/6809, as these architectures were mentioned number of times here.

The story


> I bought a book about 35 years ago that sampled several different 16-bit ...
by ytropek
Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:46 am
Forum: Hardware
Topic: Moving beyond 8MHz with standard ICs
Replies: 40
Views: 10782

Re: Moving beyond 8MHz with standard ICs

Thank you for all comments, very good hints there. Below are my comments regarding some of the "official" boards mentioned earlier.

I was under the impression that the Foenix ran at 14Mhz -however it uses FPGAs ...
As far as I know Foenix (256K) run at 6.29MHz and uses standard W65C02 or W65C816 ...
by ytropek
Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:20 pm
Forum: Hardware
Topic: Moving beyond 8MHz with standard ICs
Replies: 40
Views: 10782

Moving beyond 8MHz with standard ICs

It looks like all commercialy available 6502/65816 SBCs, like Commander X16 , Foenix or even those offered directly by WDC ( W65C816SXB ) are clocked at 8MHz or less, as if there was some hard limit. On the other hand there are reports on this Forum of SBCs running at 14MHz or even more - without ...
by ytropek
Fri Feb 09, 2024 5:52 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?
Replies: 52
Views: 18765

Re: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?

(...) Assembly language of any kind is inherently unfriendly—after all, it has no real resemblance to a human language. At least in C or FORTRAN, recognizable words are used. LDA or ROL ...what the heck is that? :D
Well, I'd argue the same applies to *nix/POSIX commands (what's slrn ?) yet... what ...
by ytropek
Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:54 pm
Forum: Hardware
Topic: 6502-Teensy Bridge: PCB/Schematic review
Replies: 17
Views: 5785

Re: 6502-Teensy Bridge: PCB/Schematic review

Ok, so it arrived. Will let you know after weekend whether it actually works :-)
I know it does very little and is a small project, but as it;s my first PCB, the satisfaction is great. Or... well - there will be when I see it actually working.
by ytropek
Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:43 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?
Replies: 52
Views: 18765

Re: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?

And of course my own 65020 is a delight. I'm enjoying it a lot. But I am a little biased there.
I'm sorry it's not on the list and I absolutely understand your preference. Funny enough what made me to start this thread was actually my experimentation with a hypotetical instruction set that would ...
by ytropek
Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:31 pm
Forum: Programmable Logic
Topic: 65020
Replies: 31
Views: 23114

Re: 65020

I've just noticed it's exactly two years since your initial post on 65020, which, btw, is a great project and - as mentioned in some comments - an actual implementation of what some here thought about, but never managed to go with as far as you. Have you been working on it recently and - if so ...
by ytropek
Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:17 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?
Replies: 52
Views: 18765

Re: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?


RISC-V I found to be the easiest. Actually all the RISCs were relatively easy althogh ARM has changed a little since I first wrote code in the beginning to what it is today.
Sparc has their interesting register window thing, i860 is a nightmare if you want to do floating point. Transputer is like ...
by ytropek
Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:57 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?
Replies: 52
Views: 18765

Re: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?

Let me start with my personal experience. I probably spent most of my time coding ASM manually on 68000 (Amiga) and, before that, on 6502 (C16, C64). It was way before I gained any decent knowledge in software engineering, so my approach was rather ugly (lots of dissassembling of existing code ...
by ytropek
Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:41 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?
Replies: 52
Views: 18765

Whats the most human-friendly instruction set?

Dear All.

As in the topic, I would like to start a discussion on various instruction sets/architectures, that - in your opinion - are the most suitable for writting Assembly code manually.

Just for fun I've created a poll on that topic, although, considering the name of this forum, the winner is ...
by ytropek
Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:20 pm
Forum: Hardware
Topic: 6502-Teensy Bridge: PCB/Schematic review
Replies: 17
Views: 5785

Re: 6502-Teensy Bridge: PCB/Schematic review

Hello, I just joined in :) Here are some my thoughts: (...)
It's never too late and thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, Gilhad :-) I've made some final adjustments after all the comments (including yours) and ordered a PCB for the entire $25(from JLPCB) including taxes and postage. Will let ...